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You are reading page 22 of Any ADN-BSN programs without ridiculous papers?
adnrnstudent, ASN, RN
353 Posts
A huge part of the BSN is evidence based research... you may not have to do the research yourself but you may have to synthesize the information in the form of a paper... GL finding a program that doesn't have them.
Writing papers about other people's papers continues to be a waste of time.
BostonFNP, APRN
2 Articles; 5,581 Posts
Unfortunately all of academia and most professionals disagree with you.
LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN
8,429 Posts
Writing paper citing individuals who have supporting evidence that helps promote the evolution of my nursing practice and my desire to strengthen our profession was not a waste of my time.
ixchel
4,547 Posts
I disagree for three reasons:
1. On the first day of my nursing research class (yes, as part of my BSN degree), it was explained that each degree level indicates a certain level of proficiency in regards to academic research. At the bachelors level, our program verifies through our written research findings that we are capable of understanding and appraising research critically. The best way they can do this is through our own written review of literature.
2. I, personally, never knew what a reliable source was until I learned how to research. This, too, is required to be verified by our BSN faculty. (Honestly - If you think it is painful to write so many papers, imagine how painful it is to get through grading every. single. one.)
3. I am one semester from my BSN now and one thing I am most thankful for is my ability to discuss and debate with scientific data, and make clearly articulated points. I have genuinely grown as a result of all of the reading, researching and writing I have done. Have I dreaded the endless writing? OMG yes! But I have GROWN. You need to open your mind to the possibility that these writing assignments aren't simply busy work, but are opportunities for growth.
If that doesn't convince you, just remember that professor I already mentioned.... The one who is grading every last written word that every single one of your classmates has written. That's a painful, long-winded process for a meaningless waste of time.
PMFB-RN, RN
5,351 Posts
I disagree for three reasons:1. On the first day of my nursing research class (yes, as part of my BSN degree), it was explained that each degree level indicates a certain level of proficiency in regards to academic research. At the bachelors level, our program verifies through our written research findings that we are capable of understanding and appraising research critically. The best way they can do this is through our own written review of literature.
*** I took a research class as part of my BSN program as well. I spend 8 weeks and wrote a stack of papers and learned nothing I hadn't already learned in a two day continuing education class in Evidence Based Practice offered by a consortium of area hospitals.
http://www.tchpeducation.com/calendar/index.htm
It was totally unchallenging. It was an easy (if tedious) A.
*** I took a research class as part of my BSN program as well. I spend 8 weeks and wrote a stack of papers and learned nothing I hadn't already learned in a two day continuing education class in Evidence Based Practice offered by a consortium of area hospitals. http://www.tchpeducation.com/calendar/index.htm It was totally unchallenging. It was an easy (if tedious) A.
Your professors are required to verify you have understood the information they present to a standard set by the program. Maybe you learned nothing, but your degree indicated in an official capacity you have the knowledge gained by that class. Perhaps next time you are faced with a similar situation, you can go to the head of the department and let her know you already know this stuff. I'm not sure that conversation will end to your satisfaction, though.
I have to ask - what is with the "***" you begin each of your responses with?
Your professors are required to verify you have understood the information they present to a standard set by the program. Maybe you learned nothing, but your degree indicated in an official capacity you have the knowledge gained by that class. Perhaps next time you are faced with a similar situation, you can go to the head of the department and let her know you already know this stuff. I'm not sure that conversation will end to your satisfaction, though.I have to ask - what is with the "***" you begin each of your responses with?
My professors didn't present any information. I would be surprised if anyone came on here and told us their professors presented information in a nursing research class at the BSN level.
The BSN needs to be more than a rubber stamp of approval of prior learning if it is to be taken seriously.
*** Is a habit left over from the early days of internet discussion boards.
elkpark
14,633 Posts
Ixchel is, I believe, referring to the course content. What do you mean by your "professors didn't present any information"? There were no reading assignments? No classroom presentations or discussion? No course objectives of what you were supposed to learn over the semester?
Ixchel is I believe, referring to the course content. What do you mean by your "professors didn't present any information"? There were no reading assignments? No classroom presentations or discussion? No course objectives of what you were supposed to learn over the semester?[/quote'] I'm a bit confused as well. How would professors in a BSN research class NOT present information? What would the exams be on???Eta: I still have every note I took in my research class. If I get the chance, I'll post the topic of every lecture.
Eta: I still have every note I took in my research class. If I get the chance, I'll post the topic of every lecture.
CrossCountryRN2008
172 Posts
They are papers mainly. It is evidence based research. That is the biggest difference between ADN and BSN
*** Oh there was certainly information about the course itself. What I meant was there it wasn't like a lecture where a professor with advanced knowledge of the subject stood in front of the class and taught us. It was all self learning. We were supposed to teach ourselves.
*** I doubt it. I think if you compare the curriculum of today's ADN and BSN program you would be hard pressed to find any difference. The ADN programs started moving towards the BSN curriculum for years now.