Any ADN-BSN programs without ridiculous papers? - page 20

Taking my 1st ADN-BSN class. Thinking of dropping it with only 1 week left. 1st class and already a 6 to 8 page paper. A concept analysis of 1 of the following 4 words: Caring, Hope, Trust, or... Read More

  1. Visit  SE_BSN_RN profile page
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    Hmmm.....well, I could have dropped out of my LPN-BSN program because I didn't like going to clinicals, being told "watch what the RN does...ask questions....you are here to learn..." and then having those RN's and CNA's expect me to get vital signs, and do ADL's while they sat on their butts the whole shift!

    I would gladly write a paper than go through that again!!

    I don't know about anyone else, but my BSN program wasn't "fluff" and I actually took a lot away from it.....darn that PhD RN making me critically think about that fishbone diagram!!! And darn her for asking me "why?....why?...why?...why??....but WHY????"

    Please don't be my nurse!
  2. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from SE_BSN_RN
    Hmmm.....well, I could have dropped out of my LPN-BSN program because I didn't like going to clinicals, being told "watch what the RN does...ask questions....you are here to learn..." and then having those RN's and CNA's expect me to get vital signs, and do ADL's while they sat on their butts the whole shift!

    I would gladly write a paper than go through that again!!

    I don't know about anyone else, but my BSN program wasn't "fluff" and I actually took a lot away from it.....darn that PhD RN making me critically think about that fishbone diagram!!! And darn her for asking me "why?....why?...why?...why??....but WHY????"

    Please don't be my nurse!
    I think there are different programs....as a working ASN many years ago....I had a perfectly successful career. My employer a few years back wanted their managers/directors to have a BSN. So......I took an online RN-BSN becasue they paid for it....it really didn't "add" anything to my practice. Not one thing. I was a successful director of emergency Services and critical care. I was in charge of 2 ICU's, telemetry/PCU and the ED over a hundred employees. For me it added nothing but the knowledge of how to do a paper using and APA style.

    I do however believe that nursing needs to decide on one level of RN entry if only to stop this incessant bickering about who is superior. We as nurses have much more important agenda on our plates like staffing ratios and patient safety than to promote a nursing shortage that no longer exists.

    The proliferation of the drive through schools and pumping out graduates every six months to a workforce that doesn't need them is irresponsible.
    Dazglue, nursel56, morte, and 4 others like this.
  3. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from SE_BSN_RN
    Hmmm.....well, I could have dropped out of my LPN-BSN program because I didn't like going to clinicals, being told "watch what the RN does...ask questions....you are here to learn..." and then having those RN's and CNA's expect me to get vital signs, and do ADL's while they sat on their butts the whole shift!

    I would gladly write a paper than go through that again!!

    I don't know about anyone else, but my BSN program wasn't "fluff" and I actually took a lot away from it.....darn that PhD RN making me critically think about that fishbone diagram!!! And darn her for asking me "why?....why?...why?...why??....but WHY????"

    Please don't be my nurse!
    *** An LPN to BSN program is a very, very different animal than and RN to BSN program. An LPN becoming and RN SHOULD learn a lot, after all they are preparing you to enter professional nursing practice. That is not true for the RN to BSN.
  4. Visit  emtb2rn profile page
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    Agree with esme on what is learned in a rn-bsn program. I'm 1/2 way through and all i've learned is apa formatting.

    And my ee cummings capitalization style is courtesy of my iphone.
  5. Visit  sunshyne17 profile page
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    A huge part of the BSN is evidence based research... you may not have to do the research yourself but you may have to synthesize the information in the form of a paper... GL finding a program that doesn't have them.
    Southern Magnolia, DorselFin, tokmom, and 1 other like this.
  6. Visit  adnrnstudent profile page
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    Quote from sunshyne17
    A huge part of the BSN is evidence based research... you may not have to do the research yourself but you may have to synthesize the information in the form of a paper... GL finding a program that doesn't have them.
    Writing papers about other people's papers continues to be a waste of time.
  7. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from adnrnstudent
    Writing papers about other people's papers continues to be a waste of time.
    Unfortunately all of academia and most professionals disagree with you.
  8. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from adnrnstudent
    Writing papers about other people's papers continues to be a waste of time.
    Writing paper citing individuals who have supporting evidence that helps promote the evolution of my nursing practice and my desire to strengthen our profession was not a waste of my time.
    elkpark, poppycat, MrChicagoRN, and 2 others like this.
  9. Visit  ixchel profile page
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    Quote from adnrnstudent
    Writing papers about other people's papers continues to be a waste of time.
    I disagree for three reasons:

    1. On the first day of my nursing research class (yes, as part of my BSN degree), it was explained that each degree level indicates a certain level of proficiency in regards to academic research. At the bachelors level, our program verifies through our written research findings that we are capable of understanding and appraising research critically. The best way they can do this is through our own written review of literature.

    2. I, personally, never knew what a reliable source was until I learned how to research. This, too, is required to be verified by our BSN faculty. (Honestly - If you think it is painful to write so many papers, imagine how painful it is to get through grading every. single. one.)

    3. I am one semester from my BSN now and one thing I am most thankful for is my ability to discuss and debate with scientific data, and make clearly articulated points. I have genuinely grown as a result of all of the reading, researching and writing I have done. Have I dreaded the endless writing? OMG yes! But I have GROWN. You need to open your mind to the possibility that these writing assignments aren't simply busy work, but are opportunities for growth.


    If that doesn't convince you, just remember that professor I already mentioned.... The one who is grading every last written word that every single one of your classmates has written. That's a painful, long-winded process for a meaningless waste of time.
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  10. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from ixchel
    I disagree for three reasons:

    1. On the first day of my nursing research class (yes, as part of my BSN degree), it was explained that each degree level indicates a certain level of proficiency in regards to academic research. At the bachelors level, our program verifies through our written research findings that we are capable of understanding and appraising research critically. The best way they can do this is through our own written review of literature.
    *** I took a research class as part of my BSN program as well. I spend 8 weeks and wrote a stack of papers and learned nothing I hadn't already learned in a two day continuing education class in Evidence Based Practice offered by a consortium of area hospitals.
    http://www.tchpeducation.com/calendar/index.htm
    It was totally unchallenging. It was an easy (if tedious) A.
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  11. Visit  ixchel profile page
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** I took a research class as part of my BSN program as well. I spend 8 weeks and wrote a stack of papers and learned nothing I hadn't already learned in a two day continuing education class in Evidence Based Practice offered by a consortium of area hospitals. http://www.tchpeducation.com/calendar/index.htm It was totally unchallenging. It was an easy (if tedious) A.
    Your professors are required to verify you have understood the information they present to a standard set by the program. Maybe you learned nothing, but your degree indicated in an official capacity you have the knowledge gained by that class. Perhaps next time you are faced with a similar situation, you can go to the head of the department and let her know you already know this stuff. I'm not sure that conversation will end to your satisfaction, though.

    I have to ask - what is with the "***" you begin each of your responses with?
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  12. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from ixchel
    Your professors are required to verify you have understood the information they present to a standard set by the program. Maybe you learned nothing, but your degree indicated in an official capacity you have the knowledge gained by that class. Perhaps next time you are faced with a similar situation, you can go to the head of the department and let her know you already know this stuff. I'm not sure that conversation will end to your satisfaction, though.

    I have to ask - what is with the "***" you begin each of your responses with?
    My professors didn't present any information. I would be surprised if anyone came on here and told us their professors presented information in a nursing research class at the BSN level.
    The BSN needs to be more than a rubber stamp of approval of prior learning if it is to be taken seriously.
    *** Is a habit left over from the early days of internet discussion boards.
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  13. Visit  elkpark profile page
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    My professors didn't present any information. I would be surprised if anyone came on here and told us their professors presented information in a nursing research class at the BSN level.
    Ixchel is, I believe, referring to the course content. What do you mean by your "professors didn't present any information"? There were no reading assignments? No classroom presentations or discussion? No course objectives of what you were supposed to learn over the semester?


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