Any ADN-BSN programs without ridiculous papers? - page 16

Taking my 1st ADN-BSN class. Thinking of dropping it with only 1 week left. 1st class and already a 6 to 8 page paper. A concept analysis of 1 of the following 4 words: Caring, Hope, Trust, or... Read More

  1. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from PMFB-RN

    I think it is fair to ask why a BSN program is repeating material covered previously.

    What DID make a difference was suggesting to nurses managers that certain nurses attend an assessment class.
    In my opinion ADN to BSN programs repeat this because they cant differentiate between those that need a remedial course (as you suggest) an those that do combined with the fact they trust their own educators for such a vital skill.

    Would you sign a new RRT nurse off for intubation or an Aline without actually teaching them or seeing them do it just because they did it at another hospital?
    Last edit by BostonFNP on Apr 2, '13
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  3. Visit  Susie2310 profile page
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    Again, some people are generalizing the RN-BSN health assessment course as covering the same material in the same depth as ADN programs. I took an advanced health assessment course in my RN-BSN program that covered new assessment skills that were not taught in my ADN program, i.e. comprehensive eye exam using an opthalmoscope, and hearing test/ear exam. The course also expanded on some of the assessments we had already learned in my ADN program. I learned a lot of new information about assessments. It appears some people just cannot hear that some RN-BSN programs teach good quality information and/or some people are opposed to learning anything new.

    If you want to avoid a RN-BSN health assessment class that only covers information you've already studied at the same level you've already studied, then research the schools you plan to attend. If you already went through an RN-BSN program health assessment class and were dissatisfied with what you learned, did you research the program first?
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  4. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    In my opinion ADN to BSN programs repeat this because they cant differentiate between those that need a remedial course (as you suggest) an those that do combined with the fact they trust their own educators for such a vital skill.
    *** Yes, you are probably right.

    Would you sign a new RRT nurse off for intubation or an Aline without actually teaching them or seeing them do it just because they did it at another hospital?
    *** Great point.
  5. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from PMFB-RN

    *** Yes, you are probably right.

    *** Great point.
    Plus they like the $$.
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  6. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Again, some people are generalizing the RN-BSN health assessment course as covering the same material in the same depth as ADN programs.
    *** Yes right. In fact the BSN program may cover assessement is much less or greater detail than the ADN programs.

    I took an advanced health assessment course in my RN-BSN program that covered new assessment skills that were not taught in my ADN program, i.e. comprehensive eye exam using an opthalmoscope, and hearing test/ear exam.
    *** Yes same for mine. While it did cover assessments not covered in my ADN program, it did not cover any assessments I had not already been trained in either on the job, or in a non-college class like the TCHP classes I linked to in post 194.

    The course also expanded on some of the assessments we had already learned in my ADN program. I learned a lot of new information about assessments. It appears some people just cannot hear that some RN-BSN programs teach good quality information and/or some people are opposed to learning anything new.
    *** Opposed to learning anything new? One of my main complaints is that I was prevented from learning new things by spending so much time in the RN to BSN program. One could easily make the case that those who desire to spend a lot of time in an RN to BSN program are the ones who do not wish to learn anything new. _I_ wouldn't make that case as I consider it exactly as abserd as your statement above.

    If you want to avoid a RN-BSN health assessment class that only covers information you've already studied at the same level you've already studied, then research the schools you plan to attend. If you already went through an RN-BSN program health assessment class and were dissatisfied with what you learned, did you research the program first?
    *** First no I didn't. I did the free program recommended by my employer. However it was an acceredited program. Isn't that the point of accredidation? Doesn't that indicate the program has met minimum standards? Why would there be such a larg difference in programs? Do we need to segragate those who when to "good" programs from thse nurses who went to "bad" programs?
  7. Visit  Susie2310 profile page
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    PMFB-RN, you said the assessment class you took didn't teach you anything you hadn't learned on the job or in a non-college class, although it did teach you new assessments not covered in your ADN program. Did you expect your program to tailor the health assessment class and other classes to your own individual life/work experience? You are complaining about the quality of the program that you took without paying a tuition fee. You chose to sign up with this program, and chose not to research other programs.
    Last edit by Susie2310 on Apr 2, '13
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  8. Visit  Tait profile page
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    Man, I can't believe I just read all that considering I posted back on page four or so.

    Value is different to every person. I value papers because they improve my communication skills, writing ability, and prove to ME that I understand the information. Despite consistent writing skills, I don't think I would be ready to write a book, or even an article this year if it hadn't been for honing my writing abilities in my RN-MSN program over the last three years.

    In the end none of us can tell you if there is a program without "ridiculous papers" because value is in the eye of the student.

    Tait
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  9. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    PMFB-RN, you said the assessment class you took didn't teach you anything you hadn't learned on the job or in a non-college class, although it did teach you new assessments not covered in your ADN program. Did you expect your program to tailor the health assessment class and other classes to your own individual life/work experience?
    *** No of course not. I would see your point if it was only ME who found that to be true. It is an RN to BSN program yes the RN students take the same assesment class as non nurses.

    You are complaining about the quality of the program that you took without paying a tuition fee.
    *** No, I have complained about the qualiety of BSN programs in general, not my program in particular. Besides I want to a highly rated and respected program.

    You chose to sign up with this program, and chose not to research other programs
    *** Oh I have researched other programs quite extensivly, thought not every program. I am now in a position to advise newer nurses and students and have done so. In addition I get to train students from a number of programs, and get first hand reports for even more programs from my co-workers.
  10. Visit  Susie2310 profile page
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    PMFB-RN, there is no evidence there is a problem with the quality of BSN programs in general, and several people on this thread have spoken out in support of the quality of the ADN-BSN/BSN programs they are attending/have attended.
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    PMFB-RN, there is no evidence there is a problem with the quality of BSN programs in general, and several people on this thread have spoken out in support of the quality of the ADN-BSN/BSN programs they are attending/have attended.
    *** Thank you for your opinion. If BSN is going to be required, as many people advocate for and many nurse employers already do, and nurses are going to spend so much of their money and time earning the degree, they should get more IMO.
    There isn't anything special about the BSN. It is not rigerous like some other areas of study, and from what I can see does not make better nurses, and no evidence I have seen demonstrates it does. The argument that it makes one a more well rounded individual is debunked by the fact that the many ADN prepared RNs with undergraduate and graduate degrees in other fields are not considered the same as the ADN + bachelors or masters degree RN.
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    *** Thank you for your opinion. If BSN is going to be required, as many people advocate for and many nurse employers already do, and nurses are going to spend so much of their money and time earning the degree, they should get more IMO.
    There isn't anything special about the BSN. It is not rigerous like some other areas of study, and from what I can see does not make better nurses, and no evidence I have seen demonstrates it does. The argument that it makes one a more well rounded individual is debunked by the fact that the many ADN prepared RNs with undergraduate and graduate degrees in other fields are not considered the same as the ADN + bachelors or masters degree RN.
    I keep trying to walk away, and then you pull me back with these generalizations. My BSN absolutely HAS made me more well rounded. More so than the ADN because I have taken many non-nursing classes that have opened my eyes to a world far beyond nursing.

    Also, you absolutely cannot say that the BSN is not rigorous. That is a generalization with no basis in fact. It is based on anecdote and personal experience after you have completed a program that is, by your own admission, not that great.
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    Quote from ixchel

    I keep trying to walk away, and then you pull me back with these generalizations. My BSN absolutely HAS made me more well rounded. More so than the ADN because I have taken many non-nursing classes that have opened my eyes to a world far beyond nursing.

    Also, you absolutely cannot say that the BSN is not rigorous. That is a generalization with no basis in fact. It is based on anecdote and personal experience after you have completed a program that is, by your own admission, not that great.
    ^This. Unless you have been in the basic BSN program..Health Assessment was far more detailed than what I learned in health assessment in the top-quality ADN program I went to, as another poster replied.

    It is up to the individual to be invested in their program that they choose. Before I entered a BSN program as an LPN, I researched 15 programs before I selected a program. I looked at programs, people who were already in the programs, etc, before selecting one. My research and my choice was the BEST for me, and allowed me to be excellent and well rounded while being able to still work and make a living.

    I think if one wants to post on their unsatisfactory of their program, by all means do, but don't generalize a "waste" of a BSN because a program is not up to par.
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  14. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    I keep trying to walk away, and then you pull me back with these generalizations. My BSN absolutely HAS made me more well rounded. More so than the ADN because I have taken many non-nursing classes that have opened my eyes to a world far beyond nursing.
    *** Oh I don't doubt it did that for you but that doesn't have anything to do with my point. Makeing you a more rounded person and opening your eyes to a world beyond nursing is not the reason for the push for BSN required. As I said before if that was the motovation them people who degrees in international relations, or english, or whatever plus and an ADN would also be rounded and there would be no reason for them to need a BSN.
    I had my eyes opened to a wide world by spending 18 months traveling around the world with a back pack and almost no money. I gained a unique education about the rest of the world but I don't think everybody should have to do it to be a qualified nurse.
    I am not saying nobody should get a BSN. Many people should. I just don't think it should be required for RN practice.

    Also, you absolutely cannot say that the BSN is not rigorous. That is a generalization with no basis in fact. It is based on anecdote and personal experience
    *** Nurisng just isn't that hard. Especialy compaired to some other fields like chemical enginering or any of many other fields. Yes as I made clear a number of times that is my informed opinion. I never pretended what I was saying was anything other than my opinion on the subject.

    after you have completed a program that is, by your own admission, not that great.
    *** Uh, What? I never said any such thing. I went to a very good BSN program. Ranked in the top 25 nursing schools by US News and World Report. To me it is telling that such a highly rates and respected program was like that. I wonder what other programs are like, in particular the high cost, for profit online only programs.
    To me saying a program is among the best is like saying one is among the best surfers in all of North Dakota. It might well be true but you haven't said much.


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