Acceptance of Distance/Online Degrees by Other Colleges and Universities - page 6

I have taken online classes through California State University, Dominguez Hills working on my BSN (I am a diploma RN). I agree with others who have commented the coursework is not easy and I too... Read More

  1. by   Sheri257
    Quote from RN34TX
    I'm also asking you these questions because I hope that you are asking the recruiters these questions as well. New grads can get burned very easily because some of them just don't know what to ask or expect from their new employer and take whatever is thrown at them.
    You want solid, proper preceptorship as a new RN, take nothing less.
    Agreed, which is why I asked. But that's what most of the recruiters told me. Six weeks or less. So far, the only program I know of that has 12 weeks is Kaiser. But I'm still researching ...

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 5, '05
  2. by   Sheri257
    Quote from RN34TX
    In all fairness to Lizz (and this is killing me) ...
    BTW ... I really enjoyed that ...

    Especially if it's possible for us to agree on something ...

  3. by   mona b RN
    Quote from lizz
    All of the questions in our nursing tests involve critical thinking. There's no rote memorization.

    However, if you don't know the material, there's no way you can accurately answer a critical thinking question, at least with the way our tests are structured.

    You have to both know the material and critically think. Without books or notes, of course.


    Exactly my point. If you don't know the material, it doesn't really matter if you have a book to use as a resource. My experience has been that most open book quizzes rely on "critical thinking" type questions.

    I also think that it is offensive to imply people are cheating if the instructors give explicit exam directions to use resources. It's a very broad statement Lizz, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
  4. by   Sheri257
    Quote from mona b
    Exactly my point. If you don't know the material, it doesn't really matter if you have a book to use as a resource. My experience has been that most open book quizzes rely on "critical thinking" type questions.

    I also think that it is offensive to imply people are cheating if the instructors give explicit exam directions to use resources. It's a very broad statement Lizz, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
    If you don't know the material the extra notes and books don't matter? Well, it sure would give me an advantage going into an exam. That's why it's called cheating ... at least at most schools.

    And I don't care if it's "offensive". And I'm not "implying" anything. I'm stating as fact that it's cheating. Or, at the very least, making the "exams" a joke.

    Institutionalized cheating is still cheating. You guys are only fooling yourselves if you really believe otherwise.

    I'd really like to know how many nursing schools allow open book exams. Very few I'd bet. I just can't believe that any nursing program would allow this. It's shocking.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 5, '05
  5. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from RN34TX
    As an LVN x8 years, can you think back to your very first LVN job out of school? Did you truely feel prepared and ready to go? If so, good for you but I doubt it.
    Believe me, NO ONE is coming out of RN school trained and ready to work in the areas I've listed above without a long and proper orientation.
    Re- board pass rates, EC's currently published rate is 90% for first time test takers which is in line with most schools around the country.
    As an LPN of four years, I remember very well my first job out of LPN school, and I felt totally inept. Ashamed at what I didn't know (because I was sure I should have learned it in nursing school.)
    Well, I discovered that there is NO WAY you can learn everything you need to learn in nursing school, and I now see nursing school as not training you do jump out there in the job world and know all there is to know. I see passing nursing school as only an indication that you are competent to be TRAINED to work as a nurse through the place that chooses to hire you.

    I have nothing but respect for Excelsior. You must know your stuff to pass their tests. I bombed NC 5 with a D last week (or was it week before last???) but I didn't feel bad about it. I know exactly what to study now.
  6. by   Jo Dirt
    Quote from lizz
    I'd really like to know how many nursing schools allow open book exams. Very few I'd bet. I just can't believe that any nursing program would allow this. It's shocking.

    What nursing program is allowing this and where?
    It sure sounds like cheating to me. The nursing profession has been cheapened enough as it is, now they are giving open book exams?
  7. by   mona b RN
    Quote from lizz
    If you don't know the material the extra notes and books don't matter? Well, it sure would give me an advantage going into an exam. That's why it's called cheating ... at least at most schools.

    And I don't care if it's "offensive". And I'm not "implying" anything. I stating as fact that it's cheating. Or, at the very least, making the "exams" a joke.

    Institutionalized cheating is still cheating. You guys are only fooling yourselves if you really believe otherwise.

    I'd really like to know how many nursing schools allow open book exams. Very few I'd bet. I just can't believe that any nursing program would allow this. It's shocking.

    Again Lizz, this is your opinion. However, shocking as it may be, open book exams are not all that uncommon.

    Have you ever taken an open book exam or quiz? Do you know what it is like to take a timed test? It's not easy, but then again it's not supposed to be.
  8. by   Sheri257
    Quote from mona b
    Do you know what it is like to take a timed test? It's not easy, but then again it's not supposed to be.
    I've never had open book tests for the science or nursing courses I've had to take. Maybe liberal arts courses and stuff outside of the nursing program, but never in nursing.

    I have taken many timed tests. It would be a hellava lot easier if I could bring in notes. You know ... jog the memory for those difficult to remember factoids ....

    Ah ... to dream ...

    However, I have a real exam to study for. Since they don't allow notes, I need to actually learn the material.

    Which means I gotta go, at least 'til I really learn some things.

    Check you guys later.

  9. by   tlynsmith
    I find it funny how you love patrolling this thread. I am speaking from experience. Are you even a nurse???? Your still in school, so once you pass your boards then try to spread your knowledge. I think having 8 years of nursing experience I can voice my own 2 cents without you crying out how distance learning students trash traditional students. Is this not a Distance Learning Thread? You always miss the point. Again whatever choice someone makes does not mean their choice is wrong. If I could I would go to a traditional school, but since I make 50,000+ per year as a LVN I am not able to quit my job and take care of 2 kids. So again EC is the right choice for me. I wish I could underline the me. I have reviewed the passing rate for CA schools we'll just leave it at that.

    When I finished nursing school I was ready. When I say ready I was a charge nurse at 20 years old, then a Nursing Supervisor at 21 years old. I think some people have it. I made sure I got all the experience I needed. I was a CNA then I went through the traditional LVN program. Was I scared when I finished school, no, because I had confidence because of the nursing program I went through. I had caring instructors and a wonderful Director. It was a small of class of 15 so we were able to have that individual training when we needed it.

    When I post here I do not try to talk down to anyone, but Lizz it seems your always trying to win a battle. I am pretty sure the school you go to for every good thing is said about it you can find a person to say the opposite. I wish you the best once you get your feet wet. As to the thread that I first responded to I was no way trying to degrade your choice of program, I voiced my opinion just like you did. Thank you for your opinion.
  10. by   Jay-Jay
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