Acceptance of Distance/Online Degrees by Other Colleges and Universities - page 3

I have taken online classes through California State University, Dominguez Hills working on my BSN (I am a diploma RN). I agree with others who have commented the coursework is not easy and I too... Read More

  1. by   Sheri257
    Quote from poe me
    Thank's lizz for pointing this out I never thought about hackers and there are some that are out there. My point is when you are at home and there is no teacher no other students, when it comes to taking those online exams there will be some who will look in there books at their notes and any other reference to get the answer. There are a lot of abbreviations on the exams if they don't know one they won't guess and put the wrong answer they will look it up. Who's gonna risk failing a test if they don't have too. If your in a classroom the chances of someone cheating is small and yes there are some that have done this only to recieve an F for the course. Many teachers watch you like a hawk so you will take your studying very seriously.
    Interesting point. I have a question. I guess it depends upon the program, but I wonder if there are time limits on these tests. If there are, it might be harder to cheat.

    Prior to our testing lab renovation, I was told that people did try to look up answers, but if they hadn't studied, they usually flunked anyway because they ran out of time. Usually there was way too much test material for them to look up all the answers.

    Obviously there are lots of different online programs, and they may all be different, but how are these tests typically structured? Do you think a time limit might help?
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 21, '04
  2. by   mona b RN
    Quote from poe me
    Thank's lizz for poiting this out I never thought about hackers and there are some that are out there. My point is when you are at home and there is no teacher no other students, when it comes to taking those online exams there will be some who will look in there books at their notes and any other reference to get the answer. There are a lot of abbreviations on the exams if they don't know one they won't guess and put the wrong answer they will look it up. Who's gonna risk failing a test if they don't have too. If your in a classroom the chances of someone cheating is small and yes there are some that have done this only to recieve an F for the course. Many teachers watch you like a hawk so you will take your studying very seriously. I'm not against an RN completing their BSN/MSN thru the web, this is about web based LPN-ASN. Maybe there should be some changes like having the students come to the campus or a satelite campus to take the exams like they do in telecourses.
    Poe me,

    Have you ever given any thought to the fact that DCN may have had a bad run with just a few students. The tests are timed which makes it alot harder to cheat.

    Many students are interested in actually learning the content. There is probably no cheating the nclex so you would really just be hanging yourself by cheating through the program. I mean I don't want to waste a large amount of money for nothing in the end, would you?


    mona
  3. by   deej
    Quote from poe me
    Thank's lizz for poiting this out I never thought about hackers and there are some that are out there. My point is when you are at home and there is no teacher no other students, when it comes to taking those online exams there will be some who will look in there books at their notes and any other reference to get the answer. There are a lot of abbreviations on the exams if they don't know one they won't guess and put the wrong answer they will look it up. Who's gonna risk failing a test if they don't have too. If your in a classroom the chances of someone cheating is small and yes there are some that have done this only to recieve an F for the course. Many teachers watch you like a hawk so you will take your studying very seriously. I'm not against an RN completing their BSN/MSN thru the web, this is about web based LPN-ASN. Maybe there should be some changes like having the students come to the campus or a satelite campus to take the exams like they do in telecourses.
    Hmmmm, I've taken about 8 tests from Excelsior so far, and every one of them has been in a secure testing center, where I have to show two forms of ID, take off my sweatshirt because it has pockets, leave my car keys in a locker, and be videotaped for the entire test taking process.
  4. by   poe me
    Quote from deej
    Hmmmm, I've taken about 8 tests from Excelsior so far, and every one of them has been in a secure testing center, where I have to show two forms of ID, take off my sweatshirt because it has pockets, leave my car keys in a locker, and be videotaped for the entire test taking process.
    To make this very clear toooo you, at DCN you take the test on your computer at home no videotaping,cameras,checking id's none of that just you.
  5. by   mona b RN
    Quote from poe me
    To make this very clear toooo you, at DCN you take the test on your computer at home no videotaping,cameras,checking id's none of that just you.

    Have you ever taken an open book exam?


    mona
  6. by   NICURNtobe
    I would love to know what poe's beef is with DCN. You knock it every chance you get. You must have flunked out or had a bad run-in with someone there to be so negative about it. Why do you keep talking about it???
  7. by   Sheri257
    Quote from NICURNtobe
    I would love to know what poe's beef is with DCN. You knock it every chance you get. You must have flunked out or had a bad run-in with someone there to be so negative about it. Why do you keep talking about it???
    Why do you guys keep jumping on Poe? Some of you say people are entitled to their opinion but, you jump on Poe everytime he/she mentions a concern. I realize that distance learning students are going to be defensive but, at the same time, no one is required to write press releases for distance learning programs.

    The fact is, distance learning programs are controversial, especially in nursing. And I'm not just talking about Excelsior or DCN but, as the OP pointed out, other online programs as well.

    I'm actually familiar with the Cal State program the OP mentioned. The head of my ADN program runs a satellite ADN-BSN program for them. However, if the OP is experiencing some bad feedback because it's online, that's very useful info for me to investigate, since I'm considering that program for when I complete my ADN.

    The fact is, there are legitimate questions about universities, hospitals and other employers accepting online programs. Some do, but some don't. Students need to know all the facts before investing in any program, whether its traditional or online.

    I think all of this pressure to present only one side of the issue is wrong and a disservice to those who are trying to obtain legitimate information from both sides.

    This is a distance learning/independent study forum. It's not a white wash, let's ignore all of the other issues forum.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 22, '04
  8. by   mona b RN
    Lizz,

    We don't keep picking on Poe Me. She is attacking online nursing programs making derogative statements. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that she thinks everyone or most online students are plagerising and cheating.

    Why you are defending posts that seem to be coming from a close minded individual is beyond me. I have seen some of your posts and it's blatantly apparent that you like a good debate. However, you seem to invite debate and that is good, poe me seems to just want to slam the D/L students when she posts on this bb.

    There doesn't seem to be any good or valid debates coming from her, only her view of things.

    We get the fact that Poe Me does not like the online lpn-rn programs, but the way she throws the assumptions around about cheating is not very nice.

    mona
  9. by   Sheri257
    Quote from mona b
    We get the fact that Poe Me does not like the online lpn-rn programs, but the way she throws the assumptions around about cheating is not very nice.
    Well, this is the problem with the online debate, IMHO.

    It's not a question of being nice or not. It's question of whether legitimate information, both good and bad, can be presented in these threads without people being torn to shreds.

    If Poe assumes cheating is going on, that's not a flame or slamming a program. That's a legitimate concern, and it's not out of left field. Even with timed tests and some supervision, my school still felt compelled to rearrange the testing lab to prevent it. If the opportunity is there, some students will cheat. And if there is more opportunity with certain online programs, it's not crazy to assume that there will be more cheating.

    I don't always agree with everything Poe says. I just don't think dissenting voices should be discouraged on this important issue. And I sometimes feel that online students do that too much.

    The OP's info about the Cal State online program concerns is very important to me personally. If people feel pressured not to post important information like that, just because it's not always a glowing endorsement, I feel it's a disservice.

    While I am in a traditional ADN program, I'm personally split on the online issue 50/50 for my advanced educational plans. And I need to hear all of it, both good and bad, before I make a decision.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 22, '04
  10. by   mona b RN
    Quote from lizz
    Well, this is the problem with the online debate, IMHO.

    It's not a question of being nice or not. It's question of whether legitimate information, both good and bad, can be presented in these threads without people being torn to shreds.

    If Poe assumes cheating is going on, that's not a flame or slamming a program. That's a legitimate concern, and it's not out of left field. Even with timed tests and some supervision, my school still felt compelled to rearrange the testing lab to prevent it. If the opportunity is there, some students will cheat. And if there is more opportunity with certain online programs, it's not crazy to assume that there will be more cheating.

    I don't always agree with everything Poe says. I just don't think dissenting voices should be discouraged on this important issue. And I sometimes feel that online students do that too much.

    The OP's info about the Cal State online program concerns is very important to me personally. If people feel pressured not to post important information like that, just because it's not always a glowing endorsement, I feel it's a disservice.

    While I am in a traditional ADN program, I'm personally split on the online issue 50/50 for my advanced educational plans. And I need to hear all of it, both good and bad, before I make a decision.

    Lizz,

    You make good valid points here and I happen to agree with some of them. However, you cannot tell me that Poe Me is not slamming DCN. Just go back and search the posts.

    There is no intelligent conversation coming from poe me, only criticism. I am all for pros/cons and debate but poe me is stepping on alot of toes here.

    There was a post poe me made about the DCN program not being accreddited, well that's nonsense, the adn is fully accreddited(sp?). It's post like this that are getting some people upset.

    mona
  11. by   Sheri257
    I really don't want to debate the history of the Poe's posts. But I will say this:

    Thanks to Poe's posts, I will investigate the testing procedures of any online program before I make my decision. As the Excelsior and DCN posts demonstrate, testing procedures apparently vary by program. And, until now, I did not know this.

    That, in itself, is useful and important info. At least to me.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 22, '04
  12. by   opalmRN
    Quote from lizz
    Well, I really don't want to debate the history of the Poe's posts. But I will say this:

    Thanks to Poe's posts, I will investigate the testing procedures of any online program before I make my decision. As the Excelsior and DCN posts demonstrate, testing procedures apparently vary by program.

    That, in itself, is useful and important info. At least to me.

    Lizz,
    Since you have not been successful in pointing out the correct facts of an online program I can only believe you have never been enrolled in an online program.

    If you want to intelligently argue a point, you need all the facts. Poe Me and you are so sure of the cheating that goes on; one has to wonder how you know this? If you weren't part of the cheating itself than why is this such an issue for the two of you???

    You do not have the information nor the experience to argue distance education period. Distance Ed is not for you we get it.

    As for "defending" distance Ed, I am not defending, I am stating the facts and I think you are out of your league on this one! Until you have walked in our moccasins yours is a moot point.

    If you have questions about an online program why don't you just contact the school since you don't seem to believe the information the online students are providing anyway.
  13. by   mona b RN
    Quote from lizz
    I really don't want to debate the history of the Poe's posts. But I will say this:

    Thanks to Poe's posts, I will investigate the testing procedures of any online program before I make my decision. As the Excelsior and DCN posts demonstrate, testing procedures apparently vary by program. And, until now, I did not know this.

    That, in itself, is useful and important info. At least to me.
    Well then there you have it. You want to defend something you don't want to investigate. Hmmm...you have an awful lot to say about us picking on poe me but now you don't want to debate. That's very interesting.

    Your going to investigate the testing procedures, that's funny I happen to know that a local program around here also has much of the course content online. Quizzes, tests, can sometimes be done online also. So many programs now are hybrid's that it is getting hard to differentiate between what is an online program and what is not.







    Good Luck

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