Acceptance of Distance/Online Degrees by Other Colleges and Universities - page 2

I have taken online classes through California State University, Dominguez Hills working on my BSN (I am a diploma RN). I agree with others who have commented the coursework is not easy and I too... Read More

  1. by   macmagick
    Quote from New Castle Ken
    NLN is one and the older of the two. The other is Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education. Both are recognized by the Department of Education in Washington so a school that is accredited by either is considered nursing accredited.

    Colleges are generally regionally accredited so courses other than nursing would be accredited under the general college regional accreditation.
    Thanks Ken, I have ordered your book and you are an inspiration.
  2. by   Traveler
    This is an interesting discussion. I have been an RN for 10 years and plan on starting with Univ. of Phoenix online this fall. I have heard nothing but good things about it (other than the cost) and know that there is much interactions between the students as far as collaberating on projects, etc.

    There is no way that I would be able to complete my BSN in a non-online environment and I'm sure many are in the same position as me. I live 2 hours one way from the nearest RN-BSN program. I also have a job and a family. If one has already graduated from RN school and passed the NCLEX, I'd say that we are older than your average college student and have the discipline to do well in an online program.

    It the school is accredited, it has met their requirements- period. With the nursing shortage and the shortage of advanced degree nurses able to teach new nurses, we should all be supporting and embracing any type of education available that enables us to achieve our goals.

    Ann
  3. by   New Castle Ken
    Quote from macmagick
    Thanks Ken, I have ordered your book and you are an inspiration.
    Thank you very much. I hope that you enjoy the book.
  4. by   New Castle Ken
    Quote from Traveler
    This is an interesting discussion. I have been an RN for 10 years and plan on starting with Univ. of Phoenix online this fall. I have heard nothing but good things about it (other than the cost) and know that there is much interactions between the students as far as collaberating on projects, etc.

    There is no way that I would be able to complete my BSN in a non-online environment and I'm sure many are in the same position as me. I live 2 hours one way from the nearest RN-BSN program. I also have a job and a family. If one has already graduated from RN school and passed the NCLEX, I'd say that we are older than your average college student and have the discipline to do well in an online program.

    It the school is accredited, it has met their requirements- period. With the nursing shortage and the shortage of advanced degree nurses able to teach new nurses, we should all be supporting and embracing any type of education available that enables us to achieve our goals.

    Ann
    I agree if it weren't for distance education I would still only have me AAS and never had the opportunities that I have had. When I earned my BS and MS, it was by correspondence but I would have rathered online. With online you are in a class and can communicate with classmates.
  5. by   Sheri257
    Quote from poe me
    There is probably a lot of plagarism and cheating that goes on in these type of programs and this should be a cause of great concern to the health community.

    Don't hate me just my opinion
    Don't worry Poe. You're entitled to your opinion even if some people don't like it.

    I've often wondered about online cheating. Not because I know of any instances of cheating with online universities, I don't. But I have run websites in the past and a good hacker can do just about anything, even with the best site security.

    It takes a tremendous amount of time and skill to fight hackers, and it requires constant monitoring and changes to deal with it. Even with the latest security updates, and the best tech staff, you're still vulnerable.

    So I wouldn't be surprized if it's happening.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 21, '04
  6. by   opalmRN
    [QUOTE=lizz]But I have run websites in the past and a good hacker can do just about anything, even with the best site security.
    QUOTE]


    You have peaked my curiosity, what are they finding when they do supposedly hack in???
    Just curious.
  7. by   Sheri257
    Quote from opalm
    You have peaked my curiosity, what are they finding when they do supposedly hack in???
    Just curious.
    They steal all kinds of things. Bandwidth, content, credit card numbers, just to name a few. Nothing is safe. Things you wouldn't normally think about, like email accounts, are hijacked and used to send illegal spam. There's all kinds of security vulnerabilities they exploit for all kinds of purposes. And as soon as you patch one fix in, they'll find something else.

    Even if you have a staff of IT experts monitoring it every day, it's a constant battle and very frustrating. Companies don't like to publicize it, but it happens, and occassionally hits news.

    Again, I don't know if this is happening with online universities. But I wouldn't be surprized if it does. Many hackers are high school and college students. They'd probably hack their way into a degree if they could.

    It would be interesting to see what, if any, security measures are in place with these programs, and if they monitor this. Because if someone has the skills, and really wants to do anything online, cheating or otherwise, they probably can. That's the nature of the net, unfortunately.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 21, '04
  8. by   mona b RN
    Quote from lizz
    Don't worry Poe. You're entitled to your opinion even if some people don't like it.

    I've often wondered about online cheating. Not because I know of any instances of cheating with online universities, I don't. But I have run websites in the past and a good hacker can do just about anything, even with the best site security.

    It takes a tremendous amount of time and skill to fight hackers, and it requires constant monitoring and changes to deal with it. Even with the latest security updates, and the best tech staff, you're still vulnerable.

    So I wouldn't be surprized if it's happening.

    Everybody is entitled to their opinion . That is exactly the point that we are trying to convey to POE ME. It is the negative comments and overall negative posts that are getting under my skin.

    So what does the hacking thing have to do with your normal everyday student who just wants to get an education. Are we responsible for hackers now? Way off base with this one.


    Oops gotta run and get my aluminm foil hat because "they" are everywhere



    mona
  9. by   Sheri257
    Quote from mona b
    So what does the hacking thing have to do with your normal everyday student who just wants to get an education. Are we responsible for hackers now? Way off base with this one.

    Oops gotta run and get my aluminm foil hat because "they" are everywhere

    mona
    I wasn't trying to say that anyone is "responsible" for the actions of hackers. That's ridiculous. I just thought Poe had an interesting point about cheating and online schools which, IMHO, are more vulnerable. Afterall, many hackers are also high school and college students.

    Cheating is a problem for all schools. My school just remodeled the computer testing lab to prevent cheating. There are now cubicles so students can't rubber neck and check what other students are doing. And all of the testing computers were moved to the front where students can be watched more closely.

    You can't do that with an online school. :wink2:
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 21, '04
  10. by   opalmRN
    Quote from lizz
    I wasn't trying to say that anyone is "responsible" for the actions of hackers. That's ridiculous. I just thought Poe had an interesting point about cheating and online schools which, IMHO, are more vulnerable. Afterall, many hackers are also high school and college students.

    Cheating is a problem for all schools. My school just remodeled the computer testing lab to prevent cheating. There are now cubicles so students can't rubber neck and check what other students are doing. And all of the testing computers were moved to the front where students can be watched more closely.

    You can't do that with an online school. :wink2:
    Sounds like cheating was a real issue with your program.

    Nope can't separate us online people by cubicles, but then I can't really see across state lines anyhow!
  11. by   Sheri257
    Quote from opalm
    Sounds like cheating was a real issue with your program.

    Nope can't separate us online people by cubicles, but then I can't really see across state lines anyhow!
    The testing lab is used by all of the students at the college, nursing and otherwise. I don't know which program or which students were cheating. Since there have been other threads posted about cheating in the student forum, I assume my school is not the only one with this problem.
  12. by   poe me
    Quote from lizz
    Don't worry Poe. You're entitled to your opinion even if some people don't like it.

    I've often wondered about online cheating. Not because I know of any instances of cheating with online universities, I don't. But I have run websites in the past and a good hacker can do just about anything, even with the best site security.

    It takes a tremendous amount of time and skill to fight hackers, and it requires constant monitoring and changes to deal with it. Even with the latest security updates, and the best tech staff, you're still vulnerable.

    So I wouldn't be surprized if it's happening.
    Thank's lizz for poiting this out I never thought about hackers and there are some that are out there. My point is when you are at home and there is no teacher no other students, when it comes to taking those online exams there will be some who will look in there books at their notes and any other reference to get the answer. There are a lot of abbreviations on the exams if they don't know one they won't guess and put the wrong answer they will look it up. Who's gonna risk failing a test if they don't have too. If your in a classroom the chances of someone cheating is small and yes there are some that have done this only to recieve an F for the course. Many teachers watch you like a hawk so you will take your studying very seriously. I'm not against an RN completing their BSN/MSN thru the web, this is about web based LPN-ASN. Maybe there should be some changes like having the students come to the campus or a satelite campus to take the exams like they do in telecourses.
  13. by   opalmRN
    Quote from poe me
    I'm not against an RN completing their BSN/MSN thru the web, this is about web based LPN-ASN.
    And that would be because those individuals would never cheat?


    Sorry but cheating is done by all types of individuals in all walks of life in all professions.

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