WI school nurses to distribute anti-aborition group's pamphlets to students?

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    Wisconsin debate: should school nurses be required to distribute anti-aborition pamphlets to students?

    MERRILL -- LincolnCounty teenagers who go to school nurses with questions about sex will be referred to an anti-abortion organization if a Lincoln County official gets his way.

    Bill Zeitz, a member of the Lincoln County Board's Health Committee who is pushing for the measure, said he wants young males and females in Lincoln County to be steered toward abstinence and away from sex and contraceptives.

    Under his proposal, school nurses and health practitioners at the Lincoln County Health Department would provide Hope Pregnancy Resource Center brochures to anyone with questions on sex. The sites also would provide literature on Family Planning Services.

    Full Story: http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/art...yssey=nav|head

    Nurses, what are you thoughts about this?
    Last edit by brian on Mar 14, '11
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    I see nothing wrong with educating students (and any other patients) with all of the facts and viewpoints on this topic.

    I do think there is a role for abortion, by the way.
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    I see a conflict of interest. I don't mind people trying to educate the youth on these issues, but you have to be savy about how you go about it and be aware of the larger picture.

    As nurses, while performing as a nurse, we have no opinion on abortion/politics etc. Why? Because we are there to support the pt., regardless of agreeing with their views/lifestyle.

    Now, have the school nurse handing out anti-abortion material, and in the child's eyes, the nurse has just become another adult who wants to judge/control them. This leads to a fragmented/incomplete therapeutic relation with said nurse. The "patient" or "client" or student, whatever you want to call them, is less likely to be honest with the caregiver. I can picture a young, scared girl who thinks she is pregnant and having awful abd. pain or something hiding her pain/concerns because she remembers the school nurse giving her a pamphlet preaching abstinence earlier in the year.

    I don't disagree with the message, but the delivery needs tweeked. Don't just dump it into the lap of the school nurse because no one else will do it. The school nurse's therapeutic relation is much more important than a political rant.
    CCL RN, S.N. Visit, lrobinson5, and 16 others like this.
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    I don't even know if this is ethical, one of the ethical principals of nursing is autonomy, if a student came to me for information about sex and birth control that is what I would give her/him, if they wanted info about abortion ditto, and if they wanted information on abstinence and adoption, etc that is what they would get. To hand this information to a student looking for info on sex and birth control is judgemental and could potentially ruin any trust and therapeutic relationship the nurse/student have. Why dump this on the school nurses, why even do this, I don' t like the term required to give the info, who is this person who would require a nurse to break an ethical principal of nursing.
    CCL RN, lrobinson5, moonchild86, and 10 others like this.
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    There are pockets of extreme Christian conservatism in WI, and other states of course, but I do personally know some people who have told me of their own upbringing in these areas of WI, and views having been home schooled and kept from activities with other children. Halloween is for the devil, Christmas giving is self-serving. So sad. As adults, to get to know people like this, there is a sadness, as they recall, and still, they live a distorted way of life having not been able to break away. They know it, but are unable to change. I suspect it is in these areas that you will see the powerlessness to have independent thought. Education is often a farce for women. I know a very seemingly intelligent Christian woman, who in her 20s must do all for her 20 something husband in college, to the point of cooking for his study group of men and then, she has to spend the rest of the evening holed up in the bedroom so as not to annoy her husband. During his college time, she worked full time and supported him as well as did all household things from the finances, to housekeeping, cooking, maintenance, taxes, all of it. She, unfortunately is now a baby factory, unable to even get a year between kids. When she finds she's pregnant she cries. Her friends from home all were raised this way, as was her husband, and now it's easier for her emotionally to just keep with what she knows -- which, I am sure will perpetuate another generaton. I've not had contact with her for a few years now. This is how areas like this work. She's smart, but, she can't get out of her lot in life because of what I feel is a lifetime of emotional abuse.
    EponaRN, cogath, Bella'sMyBaby, and 1 other like this.
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    Under his proposal, school nurses and health practitioners at the Lincoln County Health Department would provide Hope Pregnancy Resource Center brochures to anyone with questions on sex. The sites also would provide literature on Family Planning Services.
    Bolding is mine.

    Currently, in compliance with school policy, students with questions are told to go home and ask their parents. I think the kids already knew they could ask their parents but want the privacy of being able to ask a knowledgeable adult outside of the home. It can be tough to talk to parents about sex in some families.

    It appears the students will received information from two organizations so I don't have a problem with it. Students with strong feelings one way or the other will just toss the pamphlet from the place they don't like. Even if it were one sided, it's better than the current policy of sending the kid home without addressing their questions.
    Spidey's mom, Altra, KristeyK, and 1 other like this.
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    My concern, also raised in the linked article, would be whether the info provided by the anti-choice group is medically accurate. A lot of these organizations make a lot of claims about the "dangers" of abortion that just can't be supported by any kind of scientific evidence (and, in fact, are more likely to be debunked by the existing evidence).

    IMO, there's no justification for schools providing kids with health information that isn't scientifically accurate and factual.
    HazelLPN, CCL RN, hiddencatRN, and 12 others like this.
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    Quote from onaclearday
    There are pockets of extreme Christian conservatism in WI, and other states of course, but I do personally know some people who have told me of their own upbringing in these areas of WI, and views having been home schooled and kept from activities with other children. Halloween is for the devil, Christmas giving is self-serving. So sad. As adults, to get to know people like this, there is a sadness, as they recall, and still, they live a distorted way of life having not been able to break away. They know it, but are unable to change. I suspect it is in these areas that you will see the powerlessness to have independent thought. Education is often a farce for women. I know a very seemingly intelligent Christian woman, who in her 20s must do all for her 20 something husband in college, to the point of cooking for his study group of men and then, she has to spend the rest of the evening holed up in the bedroom so as not to annoy her husband. During his college time, she worked full time and supported him as well as did all household things from the finances, to housekeeping, cooking, maintenance, taxes, all of it. She, unfortunately is now a baby factory, unable to even get a year between kids. When she finds she's pregnant she cries. Her friends from home all were raised this way, as was her husband, and now it's easier for her emotionally to just keep with what she knows -- which, I am sure will perpetuate another generaton. I've not had contact with her for a few years now. This is how areas like this work. She's smart, but, she can't get out of her lot in life because of what I feel is a lifetime of emotional abuse.
    IMHO, you disagree with their religion, but it is their right. I can cite plenty of cases of non-christians (atheists) who "cannot break away" from their upbringing either. They have had plenty of abortions or children out of wedlock, 50% failed to graduate from college, many ended up in trouble with the law. Is this better?

    Controlling husbands is not unique to this culture (ask any Islamic woman in the Middle East). And spousal abuse occurs in ALL religions/non-religions and economic levels.

    It seems like you are trying to attribute 1 woman's choices to a plethra of faith-based folks.
    Altra, Saflanut, CapeCodMermaid, and 2 others like this.
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    Quote from onaclearday
    There are pockets of extreme Christian conservatism in WI, and other states of course, but I do personally know some people who have told me of their own upbringing in these areas of WI, and views having been home schooled and kept from activities with other children. Halloween is for the devil, Christmas giving is self-serving. So sad. As adults, to get to know people like this, there is a sadness, as they recall, and still, they live a distorted way of life having not been able to break away. They know it, but are unable to change. I suspect it is in these areas that you will see the powerlessness to have independent thought. Education is often a farce for women. I know a very seemingly intelligent Christian woman, who in her 20s must do all for her 20 something husband in college, to the point of cooking for his study group of men and then, she has to spend the rest of the evening holed up in the bedroom so as not to annoy her husband. During his college time, she worked full time and supported him as well as did all household things from the finances, to housekeeping, cooking, maintenance, taxes, all of it. She, unfortunately is now a baby factory, unable to even get a year between kids. When she finds she's pregnant she cries. Her friends from home all were raised this way, as was her husband, and now it's easier for her emotionally to just keep with what she knows -- which, I am sure will perpetuate another generaton. I've not had contact with her for a few years now. This is how areas like this work. She's smart, but, she can't get out of her lot in life because of what I feel is a lifetime of emotional abuse.
    What a jerk! Guys like these make me want to vomit (preferably on their suits).

    As per the OP, I don't have a problem with anti-abortion materials being sent out as long it's balanced with sending out other alternatives. I suppose it's too much to ask for either side to provide balanced material that doesn't try to manipulate though
    star77, azhiker96, and swarner5 like this.
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    How about we have comprehensive sex education that will PREVENT abortions instead of vilifying those who end up needing to choose one. Sure there should be information out there of all the options should one become pregnant and unable to care for or unwanting of the child. But "anti-abortion"? That is a little much, there are so many misconceptions masquerading as fact. The decision is difficult enough and the cult-like fervor of the pro-life movement helps to further create a sense of self-loathing in these women who do have to make that choice. No one is "pro-abortion" we are pro-choice, or pro-options if you may, but it is a medical procedure that a physician will explain all the risks/benefits as required by law when obtaining informed consent for ANY invasive procedure. I will be helping my son's 7th grade teacher teach human growth and development. Our kids need facts, information, honest discussion. The day I met an 11 year old who was giving birth and she said to me after asking if she used protection, "He said if I douched with Coca-Cola, I wouldn't get pregnant" I knew we failed our kids miserably. We need to empower our girls, and boys, but girls are the ones who see the images of the "damsel in distress" who needs a man to take care of her, has no love at home, then goes and seeks it and what do teen boys want? Sex. It's not their fault, it is biology. Then the girl feels sex is love and attention, gets pregnant due to bad information, and the cycle continues.
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