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Oct 05, 2009 04:20 AM

Waves of new fund cuts imperil US nursing homes by AP


Ok, so way back when, Mr. Obama became President Obama the debates began with people taking sides on what he will do or won't do. Who was a better president and on and on. Then there were the rumors that President Obama with his Healthcare Reform Bill or Health Insurance Reform bill, that there would be a cap placed on nursing salaries. It was also said by virtually every major news station that all of those rabble rousers at the Town Hall Meetings were just trying to use scare tactics to prevent this oh so wonderful Healthcare Reform bill through by scaring the seniors into believing that the government wanted to in essence euthanise our seniors. Well, Obama didn't start this but look at what is happening now... I wonder, just what President Obama will do with this one. Clinton started this mess with his form of so called Healthcare Reform by stealing the Social Security to help pay off the Federal Deficit and none of his predecessors thought to put the money back, but just hung on Clintons coat tails to scew the Federal Deficit numbers to the sleeping public.

Read the article and tell me what you think...rabble rousers? Or did the public finally wake up, a little too late but at least now we know. The future of our seniors in america? Were the rabble rousers right? Or do we continue to blindly believe what all of the politicians and tv/news reporters want us to believe? You decide...

http://www.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091...sing_home_cuts

Anyone that has worked in this industry for the past 5 years has known that the govenment has been making it increasingly hard for the nursing homes to make any money. Five years ago, the base that Medicaid would pay to a nursing home was around $18 a day. If the nursing home worked and sweated and documented and struggled to train CNA's to spend more time AWAY from the bedside to document nearly hourly they could get it up to $100 on average to $125-$130 per day. Think about the salary of one nurse, then 3 to cover 24-hours, then the CNA's salary, housekeeping, laundry, dietary, Restorative not to mention medications, MD, administrative costs and just your usual, lights, gas, water, electric... and it is no wonder that this is happening.

But I wonder, where will all of these lovely seniors go? I'd like to know what you think.


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from Sensoria17
Old Oct 05, 2009, 09:15 AM

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I hope I don't get laid off before I can get my year in so I can at least do homecare.
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from elkpark
Old Oct 05, 2009, 10:02 AM
Updated Oct 09, 2009 at 07:19 AM by elkpark

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Originally Posted by LockportRN View Post
Clinton started this mess with his form of so called Healthcare Reform by stealing the Social Security to help pay off the Federal Deficit and none of his predecessors thought to put the money back, but just hung on Clintons coat tails to scew the Federal Deficit numbers to the sleeping public.
I'm well aware that there are an awful lot of people around who like to blame President Clinton, personally, for everything that's ever gone wrong in this country, but your history is a little weak and Clinton is not the villain here. Clinton did not originate the idea of "stealing the Social Security" (I assume you mean the Social Security Reserve Fund) -- even the (very) conservative Hoover Institution says that, "(T)hroughout the history of Social Security, whenever there has been a large reserve, Congress has invariably spent it." http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3532911.html

I also fail to see the connection between Clinton's healthcare reform proposal and "paying off the Federal (budget) Deficit" (although he did pay off the budget deficit, which had been greatly increased during the Reagan and Bush I administrations, and turned over a sizeable budget surplus to Shrub, who promply squandered it and ran up another huge budget deficit).

Most nursing homes are for-profit businesses, and I'm sure they've been continuing to make good profits all this time or they wouldn't have stayed in the business. If you think they are seriously concerned about what happens to all the "lovely seniors," rather than their own profits, you're sadly mistaken. Maybe getting rid of all the for-profit nursing homes, and going to a whole new model, would be a good idea. I must say I've never been in a for-profit nursing home that I would allow to board my dog, let alone care for a family member (although I have been in some nice church-run and otherwise non-profit ones) -- all that money's going somewhere, but it doesn't seem to be spent on the residents ...
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from kittykatty
Old Oct 05, 2009, 10:03 AM

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I think our seniors have a lot to worry about--No longer do we have to worry about the sleazy politicians (Both Parties)that will do anything to get elected--now the hospitals and insurance companies are joining hands to screw us all and we can't see it.
While the media inflames fights between parties to feed their air time we, the people that will be affected by all of this--are asleep at the wheel.
This cat fighting between parties is just a ruse--while everybody is busy watching the fighting the politicians are busy making policies that we don't even know about.
How many people know that in 2011 regular light bulbs will not be on the market anymore? The only kind of bulbs that will be sold will be the expensive energy saving bulbs that cost 5 or 6 dollars apiece. Congress slid that little gem in last year because in their infinite wisdom they feel that this is the only way to force people to buy the more expensive bulbs--not to mention the lightbulb manufacturers (like GE) that will make billions on this.
What about poor people that can't afford a 5 dollar bulb--well I guess they better get ready to live in the dark--like the rest of us--in the dark and we don't even know it.
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from TootsieRN
Old Oct 05, 2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LockportRN View Post
Ok, so way back when, Mr. Obama became President Obama the debates began with people taking sides on what he will do or won't do. Who was a better president and on and on. Then there were the rumors that President Obama with his Healthcare Reform Bill or Health Insurance Reform bill, that there would be a cap placed on nursing salaries. It was also said by virtually every major news station that all of those rabble rousers at the Town Hall Meetings were just trying to use scare tactics to prevent this oh so wonderful Healthcare Reform bill through by scaring the seniors into believing that the government wanted to in essence euthanise our seniors. Well, Obama didn't start this but look at what is happening now... I wonder, just what President Obama will do with this one. Clinton started this mess with his form of so called Healthcare Reform by stealing the Social Security to help pay off the Federal Deficit and none of his predecessors thought to put the money back, but just hung on Clintons coat tails to scew the Federal Deficit numbers to the sleeping public.

Read the article and tell me what you think...rabble rousers? Or did the public finally wake up, a little too late but at least now we know. The future of our seniors in america? Were the rabble rousers right? Or do we continue to blindly believe what all of the politicians and tv/news reporters want us to believe? You decide...

http://www.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091...sing_home_cuts

Anyone that has worked in this industry for the past 5 years has known that the govenment has been making it increasingly hard for the nursing homes to make any money. Five years ago, the base that Medicaid would pay to a nursing home was around $18 a day. If the nursing home worked and sweated and documented and struggled to train CNA's to spend more time AWAY from the bedside to document nearly hourly they could get it up to $100 on average to $125-$130 per day. Think about the salary of one nurse, then 3 to cover 24-hours, then the CNA's salary, housekeeping, laundry, dietary, Restorative not to mention medications, MD, administrative costs and just your usual, lights, gas, water, electric... and it is no wonder that this is happening.

But I wonder, where will all of these lovely seniors go? I'd like to know what you think.
The government hopes seniors will just do the noble thing and go down to the euthanasia clinic. Seriously.
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Old Oct 05, 2009, 11:26 AM

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Hey! I have lots of those cool light bulbs! They might cost more, But I haven't had to replace them in more than 3 years!
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from LockportRN
Old Oct 05, 2009, 11:38 AM

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My comments were not to start an arguement between the parties. The initial withdrawal of the Social Securtiy Funds was taked my Mr. Clinton. And he did not 'pay off the deficit' just significantly reduce it by taking these funds in order to get reelected. This done, with the promise to pay it back. Elkhart if you reread what I said, you will note that not any of the Presidents after him, paid it back (from either party), but just continued what he started and used this money in a numbers game at the polls to make them appear to be better managers of our money.

Now, the nursing homes making so much money? Eliminate the for-profits? I hadn't realized that there were so many non-for -profits willing to run through all of the hoops that the government has set-up in order to own and operate nursing homes. While 'some' of what the gov has asked the nursing homes to do is reasonable and I give them credit, the small amount that they pay is ridiculous. Do they make a profit, sure they do...the ones that have a nice blend of private pay, insurance holders and medicare recipients although even medicare has severly cut their rates. The nursing homes that were unable to 'scramble' fast enough to put the programs together and train their already overburdened staff when yet another medicare rule changed, but even after providing all the basics, plus medications, plus the therapies, and the documentation, got their money taken back by medicare because they didn't document it in the 'new way'! If you worked in this sector of the industry and had to go throught the nightmare of Medicare Part A with all of the rule changes often three times a week just to give a medication. A simple medication may be 'covered' on Moday. Wednesday, medicare would change their mind and not cover that medication any longer, soooo the nurse would call the doc, then the pharmacy and wait for it to arrive. Then come Friday, that medication would no longer be covered and the whole thing would start again!

As for medicaid recipients, with a base pay that low, you can't seriously think that an institution could stay viable. And that is why so many of these homes have significantly decreased the number of medicaid recipients than they did in the past. If that makes them greedy for wanting to remain in opporation, what does it make our government for taking their money? Social Security was never meant to be used as a 'bank' for the government but was put their to accrue interest and remain a self-funded program for retirees.

According to the article, 'many nursing homes may have to close their doors' and/or 'cut more nursing hours', well as usual, the reporters are a bit behind the times. They have already stopped hiring, have cut out OT altogether and are looking at ways to give the cna's a $2/hour raise, train them to be medication administration 'techs' and have them pass meds under the supervision of an RN. Now, how does that sound? Safe??? In the nursing homes it is tough enough to rely that your cna is actually feeding the resident or transfers a new 'hip' properly and then actually reapplies the O2 when they are returned to bed, now add on taking the responsibility of their med errors? Trusting that the big $2hour and 3 month class will make them suddenly more responsible and knowledgeable seems like another nail in the coffin so-to-speak.

I will agree, the for-profits have to make money to stay open. One of the biggest expensed is nursing salaries. If medicare is cut even further than it already is, they will not close but will try to push the medication administation position more. And when thinking about healthcare reform, these postitions and others like it, will have to be considered. Or, actually going through with putting the $20,000 or so cap on nursing salaries. And like KittyKatty has written if we remain 'asleep at the wheel' this is a very real possibility! For all of the supporters of the 'changes' that our country is going through, get ready for this one. And not just in the nursing homes, the hospitals are doing the same now with limiting hours, increasing nurse-patient ratios and stopped hiring. As nurses, we all know who are the actual front-line workers, us. And we know that without us, none of these institutions could remain open. And if we do not come together like the auto industry, the financial industry, and even for petes-sakes GE, to change legislation or to stop this from happening (like the docs are doing with their march on Washington) we may just wake up from our slumber and cry, how could they do this to us? When the answer is, we let them.

As for increasing 'homecare'. Seniors are affected by this economy as much as the rest of us. Even if their homes are paid off there are so many municipalities that have doubled or worse taxes that their homes could be sold at auction just to pay these taxes. We are looking at the huge burden of all of these baby boomers becoming senior citizens,most of whom are on Social Security and will not get a cost of living raise until 2011 and only will get little more than a 1% increase. 1%, while virtually the price of every single thing that we use on a daily bases has gone up waay more than that. If we close the nursing homes, and take their homes for taxes and then don't give them COLA, how will they live? Where will they live? How will they get that med at $50 a pill? What will they eat? Who will tend to their wounds?

Who knows, any church folks out their thinking about opening up a non-for-profit to care for our elders?

Elkhart, I am not at odds with you and respect your opinions. I do follow you but this is just another aspect of health care reform that scares the heck out of me. I don't have the answers so I post here. I am hoping not for derision but for comradery. I am looking for others that are following closely with what is being decided on for OUR future. Our, not just mine. I am just tired of being scared and want to do something, just not sure what or where to start. But one thing I do not want to do is start a fight with other nurses that I care so much about, but want to hear what do you think of the possiblility of this happening? What are any of you doing or what have you done to have your voice heard?
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from rph3664
Old Oct 05, 2009, 12:14 PM

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Hey! I have lots of those cool light bulbs! They might cost more, But I haven't had to replace them in more than 3 years!
A few months ago, the Habitat Restore (a thrift store that supports Habitat for Humanity) in my brother's town was selling incandescent bulbs for 1 cent each. He bought out their supply.



It set him back something like $3 and change.

Back on topic: I live in Illinois, whose Medicaid plan is notorious for not paying for as long as a year, and there have indeed been nursing homes, as well as pharmacies, home health agencies, and even a few critical access hospitals that have had to close because of this.

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from kittykatty
Old Oct 05, 2009, 12:38 PM

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Hey! I have lots of those cool light bulbs! They might cost more, But I haven't had to replace them in more than 3 years!
I have been using them WAY before other people have--since 1996--when I built my house. But that is because I CHOSE to use them not because someone else thought they should have the power to mandate that I use them. Back in 1996 I bought them from an electrical supply house where they were made well--The last batch i bought at Lowe's--just had 1 blow out after 12 months--so already the suppliers are making them cheaper and not to last as long--why?--because they know that pretty soon they are going to be the only bulb in town and if they only last for 2 years as opposed to the older ones lasting 5 years then so what? Who are you going to complain to? Congress? I doubt they will care less.

By the way--2 of those bulbs I bought in 1996 are still going strong but don't expect that from the new ones--I have already seen the quality go down in the past 2 years.

Do you get where I'm coming from here? If there is no competition out there (incandescent bulbs)then the suppliers will make an inferior product (and that product will still cost more but will last less)--they already are going down that road.
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from Jen2002
Old Oct 05, 2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by makes needs known View Post
Hey! I have lots of those cool light bulbs! They might cost more, But I haven't had to replace them in more than 3 years!
There's a difference between one choosing to use something and another for the government deciding for us. I also have those "cool" light bulbs, but did you know they can not be disposed of in your regular garbage? And that they contain mercury, so if one breaks you have to leave the room for 15 minutes before cleaning it up? There are always downsides to something good.
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