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No. 20
Old Oct 06, 2009, 08:23 PM

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I remember breaking an old fashioned thermometer when I was a kid and chasing those pretty little silver balls around and trying to make them into one big silver ball. If the light bulb breaks I 'll have to leave the room to get a new light bulb. Might take me fifteen minutes. I will then take those remnants of mercury containing light bulb and carefully put them in the garbage and then they will go to our local, county paid for, very expensive burn facility and be burned at a very high temp. But, I think the CFL bulbs are sturdier and they don't break as easily as those old cheap ones.
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No. 21
from madnurse2b
Old Oct 08, 2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kittykatty View Post
Now, now, no point in getting snarky--this is just a friendly discussion. Maybe where you are you can get bulbs for 5.48 at Lowe's (and where is that?) but not where I am. Remember I said I have been using these bulbs since they 1st hit the market so I do BUY THEM AND USE THEM--but--some people may not want to or be able to afford to use them--that should be their choice not Congress and the lobbyists that make a lot of money from these mandates. I've been taking my garbage to recycling for 25 years too--long before other people--so I think I'm a pretty good steward for the eco-system. (Just think of all the GASOLINE I have used over the years driving into town to go to the recycling place--BAD ME). But that is another post!!
I stand by my statement about quality--it has gone down drastically--and will continue to since there will be no competition--when you are the only guy making bulbs why should you maintain quality?
Another poster pointed out the mercury factor--funny there was an article in the local paper (2 days ago)about the disposal of the bulbs and how most people are too lazy to go the extra steps it takes to dispose of the bulbs properly and that the government is already predicting that MOST of the bulbs will wind up in landfills---Hmmm, isn't this the same government that passed the law that mandates their use? Yeah right!! I bet in a few years you will be seeing a whole new industry built up around trying to stop the mercury pollution caused by these bulbs. Twenty years from now some fat politician will be standing at a podium railling at the public for contaminating the environment with mercury from these bulbs. These bulbs really are the gift that keeps on giving--I bet these bulbs alone could be the answer to our failing economy--all of those green energy jobs we can invent to solve a Problem that we started--Ahhh--I can see the profits now that GE can make---produce a bulb that is toxic to the environment--make a fortune in profits --then come along after the environment is polluted and solve the problem. Brilliant!!

Poor little incandescent bulb--relegated to the ash heap of history--just because of a few kw's. And the fact that you can't make any money from a .25 light bulb.

..."Sometimes I wonder about the kneejerk reactions". Oh I see--my opinion is kneejerk--I guess your opinion is fact? ---Right

.."So maybe you are already in the dark? C'mon" ----Whatever!!
Actually the 5.48 is from Lowes.com...so I guess since you don't have a computer (!) you can't get them. And please don't tell me that this is a friendly discussion in one breath but get "snarky" because your "opinion is kneejerk" and mine is"fact".
As far as the mercury issue I go back to my statements about electricity and water issues of the bulbs. This is from treehugger.com (absolutely biased)and the EPA "Ironically, compact fluorescent bulbs are responsible for less mercury contamination than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, even though incandescents don't contain any mercury. The highest source of mercury in America’s air and water results from the burning of fossil fuels, such as coal, at utilities that supply electricity. Since a compact fluorescent bulb uses 75 percent less energy than an incandescent bulb, and lasts at least six times longer, it is responsible for far less mercury pollution in the long run. A coal-burning power plant will emit four times more mercury to produce the electricity for an incandescent bulb than for a compact fluorescent."

If you don't like the light from them that's another thing. I have trouble seeing in low light and have had no problems switching. But I'm not everyone. However immediately reacting with responses such as this to any concept that is "green" or god forbid "government mandated" (like a driver's license or nursing license) - that IS kneejerk.

Thanks for the entertainment and the "friendly" discussion.
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No. 22
from kittykatty
Old Oct 08, 2009, 09:10 PM

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NO Problem Treehugger--come back anytime!!!
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No. 23
from shah
Old Oct 09, 2009, 01:53 AM

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FYI, Clinton left us with the biggest surplus in US History. Bush ate up that surplus, plus left us with the biggest deficit. Now every thing is Obama's baby.

Have you noticed, the government already decides what you will do. All the private insurance companies already follow Medicaid and Medicares example. They pay what Medicare pays for, and refuse to pay for Medicare refuses to.
Only, the government never asked them to follow suit.
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No. 24
from nursenow
Old Oct 09, 2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by makes needs known View Post
I remember breaking an old fashioned thermometer when I was a kid and chasing those pretty little silver balls around and trying to make them into one big silver ball. If the light bulb breaks I 'll have to leave the room to get a new light bulb. Might take me fifteen minutes. I will then take those remnants of mercury containing light bulb and carefully put them in the garbage and then they will go to our local, county paid for, very expensive burn facility and be burned at a very high temp. But, I think the CFL bulbs are sturdier and they don't break as easily as those old cheap ones.
I was thinking maybe I would mix the mercury with my plastic bags right before I dump them into the ocean. I am not sure if the sea turtles like their plastic with or without mercury. To get the full effect should I add the pieces of glass also or just the filaments?
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No. 25
Old Oct 10, 2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by elkpark View Post
I'm well aware that there are an awful lot of people around who like to blame President Clinton, personally, for everything that's ever gone wrong in this country, but your history is a little weak and Clinton is not the villain here. Clinton did not originate the idea of "stealing the Social Security" (I assume you mean the Social Security Reserve Fund) -- even the (very) conservative Hoover Institution says that, "(T)hroughout the history of Social Security, whenever there has been a large reserve, Congress has invariably spent it." http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3532911.html

I also fail to see the connection between Clinton's healthcare reform proposal and "paying off the Federal (budget) Deficit" (although he did pay off the budget deficit, which had been greatly increased during the Reagan and Bush I administrations, and turned over a sizeable budget surplus to Shrub, who promply squandered it and ran up another huge budget deficit).
This is exactly the reason I respect former President Clinton. He did a lot of good for the poor, and still got us out of debt. JUST LOOK AT US NOW!!!!!
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No. 26
Old Oct 10, 2009, 11:26 AM

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IMHO, This is where I see the future going with our seniors:

Anyone not financially able to place our elderly citizens in a private run nursing home will be at the mercy of the already spoiled and already stressed populace, with all this new technology that has only made our lives so much more complicated.
I see these poor individuals, being neglected, battered, and starved. What a sad state of affairs.
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No. 27
from ayla2004
Old Oct 10, 2009, 02:13 PM

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what doe other countriesd do to pay for residental and nursing home care for the elderly.
there are slighly different systems in the four countries of the UK.
in scotland nurisng (rn care) is free as is personal care(adl)
in england and wales nurisng care is free but perosal care in a residental or nurisng home is not. it is means tested if you don't have money/property the state will pay(local social services) if you do you pay and any propery you own will be sold to pay for your care.
once you saving have reached a cerain level you then become eligble for state funded care.
This is a cause of a great deal of distress in the UK as those who didn't try to save and invest are see there hard work go to waste. those who didn't are as well off. It made more unfair as Scotish residents don't have to worry about losing theri savings.
However it cost a lot for residental/nusing care and if cost money to even room and board someone so why that should come out of the public purse seems wrong and these persons also get a pension but most of that qoes to topping up home fees and a small amount is for clothing/soaps/enterainment/candy
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No. 28
from kittykatty
Old Oct 10, 2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Franemtnurse View Post
IMHO, This is where I see the future going with our seniors:

Anyone not financially able to place our elderly citizens in a private run nursing home will be at the mercy of the already spoiled and already stressed populace, with all this new technology that has only made our lives so much more complicated.
I see these poor individuals, being neglected, battered, and starved. What a sad state of affairs.
I think you are right and I think this will happen much quicker than anyone expects--my guess is within 5 years you will see this happen--you have to cut Medicare costs by 500 billion to be cost neutral--so it is very much possible this will happen. Of course we have to see the final bill with the legislative wording--which does not exist yet. The 1000 pages they are mulling over now has not even been translated into language yet so basically they are arguing over "ideas" put to paper. Since Congress only works 2 1/2 days a week we are either in for a long drawn out affair or they will pass it without anyone reading it--like the Stimulus Bill--and look how wonderful that has worked out.
I timed my stock investments just right and got out before the housing market went bust because I could see that the housing market was in trouble. Now I have to figure out my timing for the bankruptcy of this country--will there be any place safe to sock money away? Haven't figured that 1 out yet--but if hyperinflation is like I saw in Hungary in the 80's--be afraid--be very afraid. Been there--done that!!!
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No. 29
Old Oct 10, 2009, 04:42 PM

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I think if you bury what you have earned in a hole in the ground like the pioneers did when the USA was first being populated, they would be the safest. We are on a very fast downward spiral to oblivion now.
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