Video RN screaming, dragged into police car d/t refused blood draw on unconscious patient! - page 26

July 31 2017, guy fleeing police crosses median and slams into truck and dies. The truck catches fire severely burning the innocent driver, Mr. Gray, who was taken to SLC University. Police later... Read More

  1. by   operations
    Quote from rzyzzy
    Here's *my* "professional judgement" - based on what I saw in both videos and in watching the Interviews that Nurse Wubbels did on TV..

    She was originally "upstairs" and moved to a more "public" area of the hospital because she felt threatened by Detective Payne..

    The video of the actual "arrest" shows an officer flipping out. Acting irrationally and violently towards someone who wasn't a threat to him.

    So - "OMG, he might shoot someone if you step in" has the flipside that "OMG, he could seriously injure or kill this woman if she says or does the slightest wrong thing"..

    The chief of the university police faulted his own officers for agreeing to "take the ride" with her - because they jumped in the back seat, and left the nurse in the front, with the unhinged cop.

    Normally, I'd agree totally, that no one should interfere with an arrest - take the ride & let your lawyer collect a check for you.. In this particular case, (he literally threatened other officers who tried to intervene) - they really *should* have stepped up and said "nope, not happening with me here - take your hands off, or you'll be in cuffs yourself.".. That would absolutely require both balls and training, evidently, neither were present in these officers.

    And I think this is the fundamental difference between nursing school and cop school. Nurses are required to tell people who "outrank" them (doctors) - that "you might not want to do that".. Nursing school has simulations where you have to speak up even though it's uncomfortable and scary. Nurses are required by law to intervene to prevent harm.

    Cop school has training that says "don't interfere with an arrest".. As shown here, that's sometimes the wrong thing to do.

    It's absolutely a training issue - if you can teach nurses to intervene, you can teach cops to do the same thing.
    It means that these cops have less balls than us lol! Good observation

    We are not completely bound and reliant on protocol. We are generally, but if protocol isn't the "best" decision, we would be at fault if we just stood by it. We wouldn't be off the hook.

    Lack of critical thinking by the U cops demands a discussion and implementation of new policies that protect RNs in cases like these
  2. by   operations
    Quote from Emergent
    I just figured out that PC on a police forum does not mean politically correct. It means probable cause. Most of the officers over there seem to feel that this cop was out of line and there was no probable cause.
    That's much better news.
  3. by   Oemgee
    Assault on a nurse is a felony in Utah. As this "law enforcement" officer had decided to attempt to break the law and attempt to force others to do so, he was most definitely acting outside of his job. Which makes his "arrest" nothing more than a felonious assault by a criminal. He needs to be arrested and charged appropriately.
  4. by   SummitRN
    Quote from Oemgee
    Assault on a nurse is a felony in Utah.
    Only if it results in significant injury
  5. by   soutthpaw
    Also remember that Nurses are smarter than cops. In fact law enforcement does not even want smart officers Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops - ABC News
  6. by   C0SM0
    Quote from soutthpaw
    Also remember that Nurses are smarter than cops. In fact law enforcement does not even want smart officers Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops - ABC News
    Congratulations, you get the award for the most ignorant comment of the day. Yes, the cop involved in this scenario has very poor judgement, but lumping all cops together and saying "law enforcement does not want smart cops" says a lot more about your intelligence level than theirs.
  7. by   Emergent
    Quote from C0SM0
    Congratulations, you get the award for the most ignorant comment of the day. Yes, the cop involved in this scenario has very poor judgement, but lumping all cops together and saying "law enforcement does not want smart cops" says a lot more about your intelligence level than theirs.
    Southpaw was just sharing a very amusing new story. Don't overreact. Did you read the story? It's rather weird and outrageous that an applicant to the police force would really be rejected for an IQ of 125, because it was too high.
  8. by   morte
    Quote from C0SM0
    Congratulations, you get the award for the most ignorant comment of the day. Yes, the cop involved in this scenario has very poor judgement, but lumping all cops together and saying "law enforcement does not want smart cops" says a lot more about your intelligence level than theirs.
    police depts. want persons who can follow orders with minimum of questions, the problem comes with how to fill the upper levels when they are promoted from within.
  9. by   C0SM0
    Quote from Emergent
    Southpaw was just sharing a very amusing new story. Don't overreact. Did you read the story? It's rather weird and outrageous that an applicant to the police force would really be rejected for an IQ of 125, because it was too high.
    Wait until you lose an immediate family member who was an LEO to on-the-job gun violence before you tell me I'm overreacting. The statement was an extremely insensitive thing to say about the people who risk their lives on a daily basis to make sure you stay safe.
  10. by   morte
    Quote from C0SM0
    Wait until you lose an immediate family member who was an LEO to on-the-job gun violence before you tell me I'm overreacting. The statement was an extremely insensitive thing to say about the people who risk their lives on a daily basis to make sure you stay safe.
    wrong, it happens to be at least partly true. and has nothing to do with your scenario.
  11. by   Ruby Vee
    Quote from JKL33




    Weird. Even with the quote it will not let me simply add the thumbs-up.
    You need at least five characters. Or maybe four.
  12. by   operations
    Quote from C0SM0
    Wait until you lose an immediate family member who was an LEO to on-the-job gun violence before you tell me I'm overreacting. The statement was an extremely insensitive thing to say about the people who risk their lives on a daily basis to make sure you stay safe.
    Sorry this happened to you. I agree the above comment was delivered poorly. However, I think they just wanted to share the strange article.
  13. by   herring_RN
    I think it may be appropriate to post this here. It is my post from another topic about ER nurses working hard to get police protection for themselves, their patients, other staff, and visitors:
    Violence in Nursing

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