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A wounded lesbian Marine veteran who sought mental health treatment at the Dallas VA Medical Center claims she was subjected to an extended anti-gay tirade by a nurse practitioner.... Read More

  1. Visit  Bustedcoconuts profile page
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    Thats when I decided it was time to go to school and me be the RN, because I would NEVER EVER DESCRIMINATE AN EMPLOYEE OR PATIENT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. That should not be determined to who a person is, or what they are known for. It is just another :quality: in one's personality. I htink its ******* pathetic that kids are killing themselves every day now or getting almost beaten to death like I did at school, when there are people out here who are child molesters or theives and they are just leading the pack of wolves to encourage the same behavior as people such as this. It is 2011 it is time for people to understand that there are more than a billion people in the world and the ethics and technologies are changing, with that said so should the simple minded ASS HOLES that influence our CHILDREN into this simple minded behavior. It makes me sick to my stomach so bad I just want to hurl. Im done with this post its only making me mad!
  2. Visit  VickyRN profile page
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    Quote from Kooky Korky
    Don't stop being American and upholding "innocent until proven guilty" just because you have been hurt or offended, no matter how often or how badly.

    While certainly negative, your own experiences in no way provide the answer to what really happened between the pt and the NP.

    Do not pre-judge. Take the high road.
    You have raised some very important points concerning this whole affair that have not been adequately explored within this thread.

    Innocent until proven guilty... a basic tenet of justice in the US legal system.

    Innocent until proven guilty... within the proper setting - a court of law, or internal investigation within an agency, NOT in the court of public opinion, and certainly not in the news media or over the Internet.

    It is deeply disturbing that the originator of this petition is posting unsubstantiated accusations against the NP all over the Internet. Character assassination by Internet is a disturbing trend and hazard that literally anyone can face in contemporary society for any reason. Even more disturbing, the NP cannot defend herself in the same venue, due to professional and legal constraints.

    Innocent until proven guilty.... This means we should ASSUME the accused person is innocent until the charges are proven by the proper channels.

    This alleged tirade issue aside, what IF...?

    The NP were being accused of making unwelcome sexual advances.... Innocent until proven guilty.

    The NP were being accused of using the "R" word with a client who has a disability... Innocent until proven guilty.

    The NP were being accused of using racial slurs concerning people of another ethnicity or race... Innocent until proven guilty.

    The NP were being accused of physical abuse... you guessed it, Innocent until proven guilty.

    What IF...? The accused were YOU? Wouldn't you want people to reserve opinions and assumptions until the allegations went through the proper channels? Why the need for this online petition to begin with, unless its objective is to publicly disgrace the NP.

    Very disturbing on so many levels.
    Last edit by VickyRN on Nov 9, '11
  3. Visit  SnowShoeRN profile page
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    Quote from VickyRN

    It is deeply disturbing that the originator of this petition is posting unsubstantiated accusations against the NP all over the Internet. Character assassination by Internet is a disturbing trend and hazard that literally anyone can face in contemporary society for any reason. Even more disturbing, the NP cannot defend herself in the same venue, due to professional and legal constraints.

    What IF...? The accused were YOU? Wouldn't you want people to reserve opinions and assumptions until the allegations went through the proper channels? Why the need for this online petition to begin with, unless its objective is to publicly disgrace the NP.

    Very disturbing on so many levels.
    I agree that the the fact that an online petition has been started, to get her fired when the people who are signing it obviously can't know the full story, is disturbing.

    If the plaintiff wants to petition for anything, I say petition for a formal public statement (the NP's side of the story) and a public apology.

    It may be her lawyer's wishes, but it does irk me that the defendant hasn't seemed to have issued a formal statement on what happened.
  4. Visit  redhead_NURSE98! profile page
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    Quote from Kooky Korky
    If she had said something about homosexuality that you liked, would she still be a horse's butt?

    I am just incredulous that you don't see that everyone here is talking about their personal feelings and views on homosexuality. But because she said something you don't like or agree with, it is not ok for her to have expressed herself. How can you not see that?

    Um, because it's not true? Here is what the "horse's butt" said that I find irrelevant and inappropriate:

    Itis however up to you as a person to resist and or change. That is just like saying I was born from a family of killers, I kill therefore I should be excused. You cannot compare the rights of women to the right of lesbian. We are born women or men that is something you can never change...You choose to be lesbian/gay... that is a chose. In the bible, the Lord said it is not good that man should be along so he created women. If he wanted another way, I think He would have made provisions. If the Lord were pleased with the gay/lesbian nature, He would not have destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.



    They compared being gay to being "a killer." It sounds like an 80 year old bigot beating the Bible and it has little place here. Personally, I'M incredulous that someone would come here and compare being gay to being "a killer," and I'm almost disgusted that no one else would speak up against that.

    And you have no idea what my feelings on homosexuality are from anything I have said, either. What you are trying to claim are "personal feelings on homosexuality" are simply people who find it abhorrent that a practitioner would tell a gay person that they're gay because they haven't "accepted Christ into their life." They don't necessarily find it abhorrent that the judgment would be made by the practitioner. We judge our patients all the time for their walks of life and their choices and actions. HOWEVER, I find it abhorrent that a health care professional would EXPRESS THOSE JUDGMENTS TO A PATIENT. And again, I'm taking the complaint as true ONLY for the purposes of having this discussion. I feel very sorry for the NP if she didn't say any of those things, and she probably didn't, or she said a very very watered down version of the complaint that was made. People interpret things after the fact quite differently, and that's probably what happened, and hopefully the NP won't get in any trouble for what happened.

    Where the "horse's butt" went wrong was throwing down the bible and yip yapping about whether being gay is a choice. IT DOESN'T MATTER whether it is or it isn't for the purposes of this discussion.
  5. Visit  redhead_NURSE98! profile page
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    Quote from Kooky Korky
    I do not hate anyone, I do not wish anyone ill, but I do find it a challenge when it comes to reconciling homosexuality with the pretty clear teachings of Scripture.
    As soon as you find the word "homosexual" in the Bible I'll consider the teachings of the Bible on it to be "pretty clear."
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  6. Visit  Kooky Korky profile page
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    Quote from redhead_NURSE98!
    Um, because it's not true? Here is what the "horse's butt" said that I find irrelevant and inappropriate:

    Itis however up to you as a person to resist and or change. That is just like saying I was born from a family of killers, I kill therefore I should be excused. You cannot compare the rights of women to the right of lesbian. We are born women or men that is something you can never change...You choose to be lesbian/gay... that is a chose. In the bible, the Lord said it is not good that man should be along so he created women. If he wanted another way, I think He would have made provisions. If the Lord were pleased with the gay/lesbian nature, He would not have destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.



    They compared being gay to being "a killer." It sounds like an 80 year old bigot beating the Bible and it has little place here. Personally, I'M incredulous that someone would come here and compare being gay to being "a killer," and I'm almost disgusted that no one else would speak up against that.

    And you have no idea what my feelings on homosexuality are from anything I have said, either. What you are trying to claim are "personal feelings on homosexuality" are simply people who find it abhorrent that a practitioner would tell a gay person that they're gay because they haven't "accepted Christ into their life." They don't necessarily find it abhorrent that the judgment would be made by the practitioner. We judge our patients all the time for their walks of life and their choices and actions. HOWEVER, I find it abhorrent that a health care professional would EXPRESS THOSE JUDGMENTS TO A PATIENT. And again, I'm taking the complaint as true ONLY for the purposes of having this discussion. I feel very sorry for the NP if she didn't say any of those things, and she probably didn't, or she said a very very watered down version of the complaint that was made. People interpret things after the fact quite differently, and that's probably what happened, and hopefully the NP won't get in any trouble for what happened.

    Where the "horse's butt" went wrong was throwing down the bible and yip yapping about whether being gay is a choice. IT DOESN'T MATTER whether it is or it isn't for the purposes of this discussion.
    I don't see where she equated homosexuality with killing. It was only an example, not saying one = the other. She believes being homosexual is a choice. I used to, now I don't any more, having had some experiences lately with a number of homosexuals that made me question the whole thing. Namecalling isn't going to help and your nemesis might yet change her mind. Just inform and educate, don't hate and name call. Be patient, ignore, but don't fight. What good does it do to fight?

    I see, once again, as happens so often here, that quoting something that the Bible clearly does say, as "an 80 year old Bible beating bigot". I guess it's just always wrong to bring up the Bible, whether or not one is 80 or whatever age or is literally beating it. Really, the issue is with what Scripture clearly says. And you are shooting the messenger. Yes, I know there are people who don't believe the Bible the same way I do, as indicated by your post above.

    No, I don't really know what your feelings are on homosexuality. I am glad to read that you want the accused to have a fair hearing/trial and even doubt that she did what she is accused of doing.

    by "throwing down" the Bible I guess you mean bringing it up at all. Who is the horse's butt? The NP or the poster with whom you take exception? Why is the Bible such a matter of hatred to you? Do you view it as God's inspired word or as something humans put together?
    Last edit by Kooky Korky on Nov 10, '11
  7. Visit  SweettartRN profile page
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    While I understand that asking about sexual practices IS an important part of an assessment, I personally do not go much further into anything because quite frankly, I don't care what type of sex other people are having, I don't want to hear about it or care.

    In this case, I will also reserve judgment. It seems all too often these days that those who are of the homosexual preference tend to blow things a tad out of proportion when it comes to their homosexuality. A mountain out of a mole hill if you will.
  8. Visit  redhead_NURSE98! profile page
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    Quote from Kooky Korky
    I don't see where she equated homosexuality with killing. It was only an example, not saying one = the other. She believes being homosexual is a choice. I used to, now I don't any more, having had some experiences lately with a number of homosexuals that made me question the whole thing. Namecalling isn't going to help and your nemesis might yet change her mind. Just inform and educate, don't hate and name call. Be patient, ignore, but don't fight. What good does it do to fight?

    I see, once again, as happens so often here, that quoting something that the Bible clearly does say, as "an 80 year old Bible beating bigot". I guess it's just always wrong to bring up the Bible, whether or not one is 80 or whatever age or is literally beating it. Really, the issue is with what Scripture clearly says. And you are shooting the messenger. Yes, I know there are people who don't believe the Bible the same way I do, as indicated by your post above.

    No, I don't really know what your feelings are on homosexuality. I am glad to read that you want the accused to have a fair hearing/trial and even doubt that she did what she is accused of doing.

    by "throwing down" the Bible I guess you mean bringing it up at all. Who is the horse's butt? The NP or the poster with whom you take exception? Why is the Bible such a matter of hatred to you? Do you view it as God's inspired word or as something humans put together?

    It doesn't matter what I think of the Bible. And the Bible isn't nearly as clear as you might think it is. It wasn't exactly written in English, yanno.
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  9. Visit  RNfor918 profile page
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    Further investigation is needed before any action should be taken. It is important to remember their are 2 sides to every story- especially when it involves a professionals career and reputation that could be ruined by a false accusation. That being said- that type of behavior that the NP is accused of would be unacceptable.
    redhead_NURSE98! likes this.


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