UPDATE: Nurses Say Hospital Gave Them Choice: Assist Abortions or Lose Job - page 11

"Lorna Jose Mendoza has been given a choice. She can either assist in an abortion this week at University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, or she could refuse and risk losing her job.... Read More

  1. Visit  nyrn5125 profile page
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    As others have stated Catholic hospitals won't do abortion or sterilization, or give out birth control or even cover birth control pills through insurance for their workers.
    But these nurses do not have to leave their hospital for a Catholic one because as the law states they can work at a facility that performs abortions without having to assist
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  3. Visit  samirish profile page
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    I would quit before assisting in a abortion and I'm so shocked that the hospital has such little regard for their employees that they would insist the employee do something that they personally feel is murder.

    I know I would not be able to live with myself if I had to assist in a abortion and would be outraged that any employer would dare try to make me.

    I think there are some things you just cant expect someone to do unless a person specifically signed up to do that particular job.
  4. Visit  dscrn profile page
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    Quote from Ginger's Mom
    Thank you for posting this with an update.

    I can understand the feeling that it is immoral to have an abortion but as long as it legal the nurses don't have the right to refuse.

    Being a nurse with these objectives, there are several alternatives, one - work in a Catholic Hospital this becomes a non issue. Work in an area of nursing like geriatrics where you won't have this issue. Or leave nursing.

    In my opinion, once nurses are guided by morality it would be impossible to make an assignment. You would have nurses objecting taking care of criminals, people of different religions and cultures.

    I am guessing the new supervisor, who did assist in abortions did want to pass down the position of abortion nurse to another staff member.

    To the nurses objecting, I would suggest they work hard to make abortions illegal, then they will have the law on their side, otherwise get a position in another hospital or area.
    I agree with the above...everyone could find SOME reason NOT to work on a certain case...I say, that they (the nurses in Newark) should transfer to another hospital, or are of that hsp, where their values would not be an issue..
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  5. Visit  Viviana profile page
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    Quote from netglow
    If you are going to work as a pharmacist and birth control or the morning after pill or anything else you don't like, are part of the what your pharmacy fills, then you better fill those scripts. If you find you can't, then you quit and work where you will never be in situations of this kind.

    If you are a nurse and work in the OR, you are going to do whatever is ordered there as well, you better do your job. You do what the doctor and patient together decide. If you find you can't, then you quit and work where you will never be in situations of this kind.

    If you are on the floor and feel you cannot hang blood, then you quit and work where you will never be in situations of this kind.

    If you work in the ER and your patient wants a DNR, you better let them go. If you find you can't then you quit and find work where you will never be in situations of this kind.
    I was going to respond to this thread, but found that Netglow said it perfectly already. The only thing I would add is this:

    If you work on a unit where a certain procedure is routinely done, but you are morally or ethically opposed to it, you should find another job. The unit where you work, like most nursing units, is about serving the needs of patients, it's not about serving your spiritual needs.

    Viv
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  6. Visit  Kooky Korky profile page
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    Quote from shodobe
    Well this thread should be shutdown because everyone is missing the point. The issue is this, choice, and nothing more. The conspiracy theorist come out of the wood work and nothing is accomplished. I have always worked in an environment that if a nurse has an issue with participating in a TAB then someone is found who has no issue with this, like me. No problem, no fuss and no threats! More amazing is the people who post opinions on a subject and area of expertise that they do not belong. Notice alot of the posters do not even work in the OR so why is their opinion worth even reading.
    Why is their opinion worth reading? Well, if you work in the OR, I guess you have no right to an opinion about anything that goes on in Geriatrics or ICU or Peds. That is, things that could involve your parents, grandparents, your children.

    Are you seriously saying that someone who doesn't work in a certain area can't have a valuable opinion? What kind of nonsense is that? I don't live in Arizona, but I have an opinion about their recent illegal immigrant legislation. I'm not gay but I have an opinion on that issue. I'm a male but I darned sure have an opinion about women! :heartbeat
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  7. Visit  Conqueror+ profile page
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    Quote from Kooky Korky
    Why is their opinion worth reading? Well, if you work in the OR, I guess you have no right to an opinion about anything that goes on in Geriatrics or ICU or Peds. That is, things that could involve your parents, grandparents, your children.

    Are you seriously saying that someone who doesn't work in a certain area can't have a valuable opinion? What kind of nonsense is that? I don't live in Arizona, but I have an opinion about their recent illegal immigrant legislation. I'm not gay but I have an opinion on that issue. I'm a male but I darned sure have an opinion about women! :heartbeat
    And just what is this opinion that you have about women sir ?
  8. Visit  talaxandra profile page
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    We've collectively done so well keeping this thread on track - please don't let it devolve into bickering now.
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  9. Visit  Freedom42 profile page
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    Quote from nyrn5125
    As others have stated Catholic hospitals won't do abortion or sterilization, or give out birth control or even cover birth control pills through insurance for their workers.
    But these nurses do not have to leave their hospital for a Catholic one because as the law states they can work at a facility that performs abortions without having to assist
    This is true of some Catholic hospitals. Not all. I work for a Catholic hospital that performs therapeutic abortions, dispenses birth control if that is what the patient's provider prescribes, and gives Plan B in the ER.
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  10. Visit  elkpark profile page
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    Quote from samirish
    I would quit before assisting in a abortion and I'm so shocked that the hospital has such little regard for their employees that they would insist the employee do something that they personally feel is murder.
    Every article I've seen about this case (at least, those not from right-wing anti-choice websites) includes a statement from the hospital stating that it doesn't require that employees participate in procedures that violate their ethical or religious beliefs. I don't know what axe this group of nurses and their right-wing activist attorneys have to grind with UMDNJ, but I'm pretty sure we're not getting the full story from them.

    UMDNJ denies that nurses have been asked to take any direct involvement in abortions or to even be in the room at the time of abortion procedures if they have cultural, ethical or religious objections.
    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...j_of_forc.html


    "The University is in full compliance with all applicable state and federal laws and is confident its position will be vindicated when the court gives this matter a full hearing," the school said in a statement.
    http://cool-nurse.blogspot.com/2011/...cing-them.html

    The hospital has said nurses are not required to participate in procedures they object to on cultural, religious, or ethical grounds.
    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=1478442
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  11. Visit  Ginger's Mom profile page
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    I heard one of the nurses on the radio today. From what I heard they don't work in the Operating Room they work in doing the peri operative care. That being said, they don't want to have any interaction with patients undergoing an abortion.

    I can see where this could be a management nightmare. Nurse X states, I don't want to participate in any abortion therapy....... therefore this patient, can't work in out patient GYN ( may seek abortion counseling), Emergency Room ( since a woman who had an abortion early in the day with complications may come in), can't be on the Code Team ( what happens if a patient having an abortion codes?), can't be on the medical or surgical unit ( for the same reason, what happens if a patient gets admitted?), psych ( what happens if a women comes in for counseling?). I guess the only place they can comfortably work is in Geriatrics.

    These nurse need to find employment in a hospital ( like a Catholic Hospital) and go lobby to make abortion illegal.


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