Union asks nurses at the University of Massachusetts to OK strike - page 2

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  1. by   MuddaMia
    Quote from Ezra73
    a REAL nurse would have the courage to be at the bedside where he or she belongs.

    i meant BSN vs non BSN (you don't need 2 yrs of pre-reqs).

    Ummm, Yes you do


    i am so tired of RNs complaining. its becoming embarrasing to the nursing profession. do you even realize how much respect you're losing?


    ??????
    I believe this is the only way we can have our voices heard in an attempt to GET the RESPECT we are lacking.

    Lose respect?

    Isn't the insult of the way nurses are treated and paid a clear statement indicating nurses are not given the respect we deserve?

    People need to stand up for themselves when they are being treated unfairly....
  2. by   pickledpepperRN
    I am sad that there is such a knowledge deficit.
    As a registered nurse who had cared for acute care patients for about seventy thousand hours and continue to work I know my work is for the patients NOT to make a non productive businessman obscenely wealthy.

    They can't be blamed because our system rewards the selfish and deceitful.

    To me a non productive person may as well stay drunk every day as make millions from the work of others. They deserve no respect at all.

    Nursing care is the only reason for a hospital to exist. We are most respected and trusted, not the CEO.
  3. by   Ezra73
    Quote from spacenurse
    Nursing care is the only reason for a hospital to exist. We are most respected and trusted, not the CEO.
    i totally agree with this and that is why you NEED to stay at the bedside and ignore the CEO's paycheck. listen, historically, CEOs make a ton of money. for those that invest, got to any good financial site. a CEO must reveal his/her salary. their salaries are huge. we are not going to change this so stop trying. its like trying to stop politicians from traveling in luxury. the president can eat lobster every day if he chooses...using our tax dollars.

    fight the battles worth fighting...but do it correctly. go to the statehouse. keep pressuring congress. just don't picket outside a place where people go in their desperate time of need. people are scared enough to go to the hospital. its even more frightening when they see 100+ RNs standing outside. oh, and their insurance might dictate that they go to this hospital. imagine their fears.

    we're not in the business of making computer parts. we're not afforded the luxury of abandoning our patient's needs to make a statement.
  4. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Ezra73
    i meant BSN vs non BSN (you don't need 2 yrs of pre-reqs).
    Huh?

    In my non-BSN i.e. ADN program you definitely have to take two years of pre-reqs. From what I've read on this board, this isn't unusual for ADN programs across the country either.

    The BSN programs in my area also require a lot of pre-reqs

    So much for your knowledge of nursing ...

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Oct 25, '06
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    My years of service qualify me for retirement.
    My nursing activism was determined when my hospital decided to send a nurse home to avoid overtime. When I arrived for my 12 hour night shift a patient had been having chest pain for four hours while his nurse was admitting patients from the ER.
    I sent him to cath lab. He died in the CCU a couple hours later. I had to tell his youn family he was dead.

    I do NOT accept that for the sake of a high CEO salary people must die.
    It id NOT OK for a nurse to work 12 hours and more without going to the bathroom or drinking water as I have done.
    It is NOT OK for fatigued nurses to be responsible for the sickest people inhj town while the CEO sits in the penthouse or plays golf. Fatigue causes errors and accidents.
    Many people have families who need a home, and the necessities of life. We need those who can and want to to care for patients. A decent salary attracts some people to nursing. We need those nurses who would work at another lower paid job if nursing paid the same.

    We need those slackers who don't do any work, the greedy CEOs and the bums who won't work to be equally despised. The CEO is worse because he causes suffering and dying. For shame!
    We should be working to change the system that rewards these greedy selfish people instead of those who cross our picket lines to make a little money and have some enjoyment in their lives. At least they are doing useful work.
    But I can't help wishing they could understand.
  6. by   Ezra73
    Quote from spacenurse
    My years of service qualify me for retirement.
    My nursing activism was determined when my hospital decided to send a nurse home to avoid overtime. When I arrived for my 12 hour night shift a patient had been having chest pain for four hours while his nurse was admitting patients from the ER.
    I sent him to cath lab. He died in the CCU a couple hours later. I had to tell his youn family he was dead.

    I do NOT accept that for the sake of a high CEO salary people must die.
    It id NOT OK for a nurse to work 12 hours and more without going to the bathroom or drinking water as I have done.
    It is NOT OK for fatigued nurses to be responsible for the sickest people inhj town while the CEO sits in the penthouse or plays golf. Fatigue causes errors and accidents.
    Many people have families who need a home, and the necessities of life. We need those who can and want to to care for patients. A decent salary attracts some people to nursing. We need those nurses who would work at another lower paid job if nursing paid the same.

    We need those slackers who don't do any work, the greedy CEOs and the bums who won't work to be equally despised. The CEO is worse because he causes suffering and dying. For shame!
    We should be working to change the system that rewards these greedy selfish people instead of those who cross our picket lines to make a little money and have some enjoyment in their lives. At least they are doing useful work.
    But I can't help wishing they could understand.
    i agree, it is NOT ok for an RN to work 12hrs without going to the bathroom...neither is it ok for a resident or an NP, yet we do not strike. i've pulled 15-18hr days with little to no food, yet never even thought of striking.

    it's pretty common knowledge among people in healthcare that most RNs are good people, but they can get pretty irritated when they don't get their coffee break, cigarette break, or whatever. it's not the most P.C. thing to say, but people think it...a lot of people. its breeding.

    nurses eat their young. new grads get screwed with shifts/vacations. all of this is bred from the day they graduate and potentially worsens throughout one's career. the "Me" attitude runs thick in nursing. i can't say i blame people for their feelings, but i can look down upon their actions.

    i am not anti-RN (being one myself). i am, however, outraged at the thought of any healtcare professional striking.
  7. by   Ezra73
    Quote from lizz
    Huh?

    In my non-BSN i.e. ADN program you definitely have to take two years of pre-reqs. From what I've read on this board, this isn't unusual for ADN programs across the country either.

    The BSN programs in my area also require a lot of pre-reqs

    So much for your knowledge of nursing ...

    unless i am mistaken...

    BSN = 4 yrs of college

    however, you can become an RN with 2 yrs of college (i'm not talking LPN).

    i had a 4 yr degree and then got my MSN later on so forgive me if i am not 100% sure about the different ways one can become an RN nowadays.

    ...and cool it with the sarcasm and rolling of the eyes

    i am having a highly charged discussion/debate with (hopefully) intelligent people that will take an active role in this thread. nothing is to be taken "personally."

    don't prove my point with usless sarcasm.
  8. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from Ezra73
    i agree, it is NOT ok for an RN to work 12hrs without going to the bathroom...neither is it ok for a resident or an NP, yet we do not strike. i've pulled 15-18hr days with little to no food, yet never even thought of striking.

    it's pretty common knowledge among people in healthcare that most RNs are good people, but they can get pretty irritated when they don't get their coffee break, cigarette break, or whatever. it's not the most P.C. thing to say, but people think it...a lot of people. its breeding.

    nurses eat their young. new grads get screwed with shifts/vacations. all of this is bred from the day they graduate and potentially worsens throughout one's career. the "Me" attitude runs thick in nursing. i can't say i blame people for their feelings, but i can look down upon their actions.

    i am not anti-RN (being one myself). i am, however, outraged at the thought of any healtcare professional striking.
    It is NOT OK for you to pull 15-18 hour days with little or no food. You are a person!

    Some people think that after many years of loyalty, hard work, and sacrifice they deserve kindness and respect. Some after many tens of thousands of hours of working need a less brutal schedule to continue.
    That is real, not breeding.

    I am outraged that nurses are expected to do nothing else while their work makes the lifestyles of lazy unproductive people wealthy. They terminate us if we get sick. You have cancer so you lost your job, your insurance, your home, and are now on welfare? That's the way it goes (unless you have a contract)
    Don't they know we are people too?

    You deserve so much more.
    Last edit by pickledpepperRN on Oct 25, '06
  9. by   MuddaMia
    Quote from Ezra73
    unless i am mistaken...

    .
    You are...in so many ways
  10. by   Ezra73
    Quote from MuddaMia
    You are...in so many ways
    is that all you are capable of saying? at least give it a shot. otherwise, you're just proving my point that SOME nurses can be thoughtless and impractical.

    hey, i don't mind being proven "wrong" on some issues in this thread (or any debate). there have been some great posts thus far from some passionate sounding people.

    its ok to disagree with others...and through debate comes an understanding of other perspectives.

    now, try again.
  11. by   Ezra73
    Quote from spacenurse
    It is NOT OK for you to pull 15-18 hour days with little or no food. You are a person!

    Some people think that after many years of loyalty, hard work, and sacrifice they deserve kindness and respect. Some after many tens of thousands of hours of working need a less brutal schedule to continue.
    That is real, not breeding.

    I am outraged that nurses are expected to do nothing else while their work makes the lifestyles of lazy unproductive people wealthy. They terminate us if we get sick. You have cancer so you lost your job, your insurance, your home, and are now on welfare? That's the way it goes (unless you have a contract)
    Don't they know we are people too?

    You deserve so much more.
    a lot of RNs work three 12hr shifts a week. others work four 10hr shifts a week or five 8hr shifts a week. oh, and make great money.

    do a lot of you even have a vague idea of what a lot of other people do? there are countless millions that get up daily at 5am only to drive 1hr+ to work. put in 9hrs in the office only to get home at 6-7pm. they do this mon-fri. oh, and do it for less money. the healthcare industry is only 1 small piece of the working class pie folks.
  12. by   Ezra73
    DO THE EXECUTIVES OF THE MNA TAKE NO PAY WHEN RNs AT ONE OF THE HOSPITALS THEY REPRESENT STRIKE?
  13. by   MuddaMia
    Quote from Ezra73
    is that all you are capable of saying? .

    now, try again.
    I did post earlier. In reading your posts I feel you have a loose grip on reality and a even weaker grip on the truth.

    ~~Two years of pre reqs are required for a ADN degree

    ~~Hospital administration (NOT nurses)put the patients at risk--first by overworking and underpaying the nursing staff...secondly by not securing alternates (SCABS) or relocating patient load when pre-warned of an impending strike

    ~~If we do not stand up for our rights--who will? Should we just roll over and turn the other cheek when we are slapped in the face with mandatory overtime? Low (YES --LOW) wages? pension cuts? unsafe working conditions and ridiculous pt ratios? All the while these administrators are having Sunday brunch on their yachts. Give me a break.

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