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| No. 40 |
Jul 19, 2009, 12:15 PM
re: TX Nurses facing criminal charges for reporting doctor to Board of Medicine Originally Posted by quezen HEY; The original post which led to my and the other nurses response has been altered. Also the name of the thread has been changed from the original, to which I first responded.
This kind of makes my comment about "the alarmist tone of the original Post" look a little out in left field.
Whats up with that !?!
To me this kind of makes the tactics of the 'lawyer nurse' organizations look a little suspect.
Are all of us here on 'allnurses' allowed to go back and change our Posts, if we decide that the 'tone' is perhaps not providing the right bridge to a predetermined goal?
I do think that perhaps sometimes nurses are 'bated' into predetermined responses by carefully worded stories about how 'Nurses' have been 'wronged' by another profession.
I also think that is part of the story within this story.
Some of the wording in the ORIGINAL Post, such as 'has a chilling effect' is straight out of the play book of the 'Adverse Action' department of certain agencies of the US Government, who's mission in life is to 'bust' Nurses who step out of line, in the opinion of some of the 'greater powers' who are running the show in some departments way above us ordinary Nurses. Some of these very same 'lawyer nurses' go straight from their Government job, upon retirement, to work for a 'National Organization', where they can continue their previous career of making a living by doing something involving legal 'nursing stuff'.
This is how the rest of Washington works, as we read every day, leave a government job, pick up a similar job the next day in the 'private' field.
Sites like 'allnurses' are making it clear that we Nurses do have a few Smarts after all, and if the support of 'all the Nurses' is asked for, then 'we, the Nurses' are actually able to understand if something is explained to us without flaming subjective rhetoric, designed to engender the ole 'Nurses to the Barricades' approach, that got a lot of Nurses to stick their necks out, only to be surprised when the ax fell.
I would like to reiterate, 'we' , Nurses and Doctors, are the ones who actually provide patient care.
'We', Nurses and Doctors, need to find common ground to get along with each other, and stop the anonymous back stabbing.
There are lots and lots of people out there, who never touch a patient, who love it when problems arise. That is a clarion call to move in and scarf up, peripherally, on some of the huge amounts of money we, Nurses and Doctors, who work with actual, real patients, generate.
I am not saying that what this doctor did was right, but LOOK at the name of the doctor involved. Now look at a map. How many of those patients, who come to that ER for 'primary care, because that is the only way they CAN get health care, are very comfortable with 'Herbal Medicine'?
Look at the many comments by ER Nurses right here on 'allnurses' who are just fed up with a system that encourages the use of the ER for 'Primary Care', medicine. Don't you think that the Doctors feel the same way?
So a Doctor tried to make a buck off a patient, are we supposed to be shocked by that?
I'll bet you 'dollars to donuts' that that Doctor was going to do something 'primary care like' for some patient at the patients home, because, no matter how the health care system is reformed, people who are not citizens will not be eligible for care.
I personally would like to know WHAT supplies the doctor was trying to take out of the hospital.
There are a lot of issues that this bings up, besides just the fate of the poor Nurses who have lost their jobs, and who, I predict, will never get these jobs back, no matter how much money is 'thrown at' the issue in a 'little town in Texas'.
THAT is no different than the outcome of crossing the wrong movers and shakers in local politics anywhere in the world.
Again I can only say, wow, Mitchell and Galle, I am so sorry that you put your feet in these nasty waters. You just thought that the issues were clear, just wait until the lawyers get involved.
I wish you had your jobs back, and that all could live happily ever after.
i noticed the change, and would also like an explanation......sanitizing/censoring? what....
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Jul 19, 2009, 12:22 PM
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Jul 19, 2009 at 12:26 PM by lamazeteacher
re: TX Nurses facing criminal charges for reporting doctor to Board of Medicine
Kathie (sharpeimom);
I believe that "what goes around, comes around". You did a good thing, especially in calling your supervisor to come in. The bad guy did a bad thing. He will have to live with that, and the fact that his comeuppance is around the corner.
We are the result of everything we learn. What you learned is seldom realized, as it validates everything held dear by most people. Lies that most probably will be revealed, are dreaded
The lawyers and college kid/houseparent who brutalized you, weren't being true to themselves/their profession. Somewhere, along the path of their lives, they will trip up - bigtime. You don't have to be there, to see it - just know it's true. Revenge is never sweet.
| | No. 42 |
Jul 19, 2009, 12:41 PM
re: TX Nurses facing criminal charges for reporting doctor to Board of Medicine Originally Posted by lamazeteacher
I believe that "what goes around, comes around".
I'd like to believe that too. I tell myself that all the time.
It's not true. It's what we tell oursellves so that we feel somewhat good about a situation that didn't work out like we had hoped.
But, it's just not true-no matter how hard we wish it was. Too many evil people getting away with everything, and too many good people getting the shaft for me to believe it. Too many...
| | No. 44 |
Jul 19, 2009, 01:49 PM
Re: ANA criticizes prosecution of two TX RN's Originally Posted by soulofme It's Texas, The South, The Good Ole Boy System! Nuff said?
I know!!! And I thought Louisiana (where my dh and I are both RNs) was bad!
Anne, RNC And I understand the good ole boys don't win every time, but it sure seems like it!
| | No. 45 |
Jul 19, 2009, 01:50 PM
Updated
Jul 19, 2009 at 03:11 PM by NRSKarenRN
re: TX Nurses facing criminal charges for reporting doctor to Board of Medicine Originally Posted by morte i noticed the change, and would also like an explanation......sanitizing/censoring? what....
Explanation: Thread titles: Nurses facing charges for telling on doctor Ana/tna speak out re: Wrongful prosecution of winkler county nurses ANA criticizes prosecution of two TX RN's
Several threads on same topic merged together for continuity of topic.
Thread title that is earliest and best describes thread content selected as title, edited now:
TX Nurses facing criminal charges for reporting doctor to Board of Medicine
Recap:
Several nurses in Texas, Winkler County, sent letter to state board of medicine regarding an ER physician who was repeatedly telling patients they needed herbal medications ...and they could buy them from him along with wanted to use hospital supplies to perform a procedure at a patient's home. Nurses anonymously sent list of 10 patient medical records number to BOM as collaboration of facts. After BOM investigation put heat on doctor, he requested charges be brought against nurses for HIPAA violation with local sheriff office who is prosecuting nurses with federal changes.
TX Board of Medicine backing nurses action as legally mandated to report problem physicians.
TX Board of nursing and ANA backing nurses and protesting sheriffs prosecution.
| | No. 46 |
Jul 19, 2009, 02:12 PM
re: TX Nurses facing criminal charges for reporting doctor to Board of Medicine
The actions taken by the legal system against those nurses just show how weak and vulnerable we nurses are to be unable to defend ourselves against someone who wants to use us as their whipping post.
I would really like that to change. I want to be part of the big sister who shows up right when the nieghborkids are gathering around someone who is about to get beaten up because they're the smallest. I want to break up the fight and get everyone around to realize how wrong it is to use your fists instead of your words and when to realize that you really are wrong and shouldn't treat people that way.
What are some news stations that I could write to in Texas to facilitate sending an articulate request to enlist their help.
Any one from that area of Texas know?
I hope to hear from you.
| | No. 48 |
Jul 19, 2009, 02:26 PM
re: TX Nurses facing criminal charges for reporting doctor to Board of Medicine Originally Posted by multicollinearity This case is an example of why we might think about joining the ANA. I know some nurses are opposed to the ANA for various reasons, but we sure need to fund a national nursing organization, especially for situations like this one. Look at how the ANA is coming to these nurses' aid.
While the ANA is responding to this situation, we have to look at the big picture. ANA IS the reason for the militancy of the California Nurses Association, and that the NNOc came about. And they ARE the reason that doctors and hospitals think that the can get away with this atrocious conduct and abuse of the nursing profession. Do hospitals pull this crap against doctors, or other health care professionals?
While it does look nice for the ANA to go public about this, and publicly support the nurses, where was/is, the ANA when it comes to staffing ratios, advocacy for the staff nurse who is resonsible for far TOO many patients, pay way below what a nurse should be making, non existent benefits/pensions. etcc. The list goes on. Where is the ANA as our professional practice is sold to the highest bidder? And our profession is de skilled before our very eyes?
The ANA has been asleep a the wheel while the nursing profession has gone to hell in a handbasket. Yes, it is refreshing to see a public desplay of support, but as we say in Brooklyn, that and $0.50 will get you on the subway, and they are about as useful as tits on a bull. JMHO and my NY $0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
| | No. 49 |
Jul 19, 2009, 02:31 PM
re: TX Nurses facing criminal charges for reporting doctor to Board of Medicine Originally Posted by lindarn While the ANA is responding to this situation, we have to look at the big picture. ANA IS the reason for the militancy of the California Nurses Association, and that the NNOc came about. And they ARE the reason that doctors and hospitals think that the can get away with this atrocious conduct and abuse of the nursing profession. Do hospitals pull this crap against doctors, or other health care professionals?
While it does look nice for the ANA to go public about this, and publicly support the nurses, where was/is, the ANA when it comes to staffing ratios, advocacy for the staff nurse who is resonsible for far TOO many patients, pay way below what a nurse should be making, non existent benefits/pensions. etcc. The list goes on. Where is the ANA as our professional practice is sold to the highest bidder? And our profession is de skilled before our very eyes?
The ANA has been asleep a the wheel while the nursing profession has gone to hell in a handbasket. Yes, it is refreshing to see a public desplay of support, but as we say in Brooklyn, that and $0.50 will get you on the subway, and they are about as useful as tits on a bull. JMHO and my NY $0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
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