Turning single parents into nurses - page 6

(New York-WABC, December 12, 2006) -- There is a unique free program aimed at filling the acute shortage of nurses and, perhaps more importantly, getting single parents educated and back into the... Read More

  1. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    Quote from steelcityrn
    studies have shown that children need their mom at home when young. daycare workers are no replacement. nothing wrong with a good education, but there should be consideration to these children first. i think instead of age 5, it should be at least 8.
    this is one of the things about this type of program that should be discussed.

    in this program/case, i think the program developers/directors have looked at the needs of young children & therefore felt that most school age kids are old enough to be separated from mom/dad for the amount of hours they're doing their classes/clinicals. i would think that this particular program classroom/clinical hours coincide with that of their children's school hours. let not forget that these kids are staying with their parent at the dorm (at least, that's the impression i get from the in ital post).

    interesting though....why age eight as appose to age five?

    cheers ,
    moe
    Last edit by SKM-NURSIEPOOH on Dec 5, '07
  2. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    Quote from akwesook

    my goodness!-

    there is some room for day work in nursing but mostly the hours are not the same as daycare. i was not saying don't let them but cautioning a single parent to think of all the children's needs before deciding what to do for a living while the children are small.

    i stated that those who have some support in the home, grandma or whoever had a better shot at this type of hours.

    i did not limit the suggestions to medical assistant or medical records- those just happen to be two perfectly respectable trades in the medical field.

    i was not being judgmental about women in this situation, it is a poor choice to have children before completing education, but it is also human to make mistakes- it's how you take it from there, and how you learn from them.

    the comparison i was making was when someone said parents on ssdi -i said that this was not due to disability(hence not ssdi) and if it were there would be other funds to pay education.

    i am about the last person in the world who would deny anyone an education-

    wic is a good program with no shame, and i am not such a snob that i look down on those who use it. i used to work for it, 30 years ago. it just helps out with some nutritious things that bend the food budget when the children are little.

    i think that subsidized daycare has come a long way in this country since i used daycare and daycare itself is more realistic in hours but it still does not meet the needs of a single parent with no help. if there is someone to help with the picking up or dropping off it is much easier. also i feel that there is no shame in subsidized daycare.

    peace to all,
    akwesook
    o.k....but why the restriction of education/training be limited to a trade? why not a profession...one with plenty of career growth & opportunities...not to mention job security is all.

    cheers ,
    moe
  3. by   nservice
    illegitimate

    main entry: il-le-git-i-mate pronunciation: \-ˈji-tə-mət\ function: adjective date: 1536 1: not recognized as lawful offspring; specifically : born of parents not married to each other2: not rightly deduced or inferred : illogical3: departing from the regular : erratic4 a: not sanctioned by law : illegal b: not authorized by good usage cof a taxon : published but not in accordance with the rules of the relevant international code
    — il-le-git-i-mate-ly adverb
  4. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    Quote from sharonh, rn
    http://www.muhlenbergschools.org/assp.asp




    personally i could never be a part of something like that; i don't need someone to teach me how to be a parent, make decisions and set goals. i guess some would call that "support" but it seems awfully parental to me. i've always been very independent. edited to add: i forgot my original point which was the school doesn't think they are independent enough to parent their children, make their won decisions or interact with peers without some heavy-handed "guidance" but they are mature enough to be nurses- a job which requires critical thinking, independent decision making skills and the ability to interact in a team manner?
    i understand how this type of program wouldn't appeal to such a person like yourself; but let just look out what you've cited as what/why you don't like this program & how/why many others would appreciate it.

    it seems that this program have the welfare of the children in mind. let face it, most people going through university don't feel that they *need* guidance either & as a result, they end-up taking "extra" courses they either don't need or that's not required for their degree. some end-up changing their majors mid-way through & have to stay another year...etc...all because they didn't want or need "guidance."

    this program, if nothing else, is positive & focuses on the students' being to complete the program successfully as well as provide some stabilization in the lives of the students' children. it could only be a win-win situation here. not all programs (like this) aren't for everyone...but should be available for those who do want them.

    cheers ,
    moe
  5. by   akwesook
    Quote from skm-nursiepooh
    o.k....but why the restriction of education/training be limited to a trade? why not a profession...one with plenty of career growth & opportunities...not to mention job security is all.

    cheers ,
    moe
    usually a trade is faster and it is hard to be a student on assistance with children, you just don't have any money but i did not say restrict to trade- it is only one option, those who can go for a profession - and wish to make the sacrifices involved in being a student should do so- no one size fits all
  6. by   Bree124
    Quote from nservice
    illegitimate

    main entry: il-le-git-i-mate pronunciation: \-ˈji-tə-mət\ function: adjective date: 1536 1: not recognized as lawful offspring; specifically : born of parents not married to each other2: not rightly deduced or inferred : illogical3: departing from the regular : erratic4 a: not sanctioned by law : illegal b: not authorized by good usage cof a taxon : published but not in accordance with the rules of the relevant international code
    -- il-le-git-i-mate-ly adverb
    yes, i know how to google the word illegitimate as well. calling people of other races derogatory terms was once common practice, but it doesn't make it less wrong.
  7. by   nservice
    Bree is there a word you would prefer that I use when describing, "Children born of parents not married to each other"? And what does this have to do with race?
  8. by   rph3664
    Quote from nservice
    Bree is there a word you would prefer that I use when describing, "Children born of parents not married to each other"? And what does this have to do with race?
    Because "illegitimate" is, IMHO, an archaic term in this context. How about "Out of wedlock"?

    As for race, I love old books and magazines, and cringe when I see some of the terms used to describe non-whites, and in very mainstream publications!
  9. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    Quote from akwesook

    usually a trade is faster and it is hard to be a student on assistance with children, you just don't have any money but i did not say restrict to trade- it is only one option, those who can go for a profession - and wish to make the sacrifices involved in being a student should do so- no one size fits all
    fair enough ~ what i was trying to get from ya though was, if all programs were equal to this one, why be limited to a program that'll only pay minimum wage at best or which have limited room for growth at worse. if education/training (or in some cases, re-education/re-training is the future due to the market (with lay-offs 'n such), why not go for a career in which one could be financially independent?

    i'm just saying, if universities start picking-up on such programs like this pilot program, why not? this program focuses on both the student and the needs of their family. they're willing to provide valuable guidance (albeit life or educational) as well as provide a place to live/stay as well as provide for childcare for everybody while the students are enrolled. any cons with this program wouldn't out weight the pros for me. this would be a no brainer for anybody who has the intelligent, drive, & willpower. yeah...i've got my pride just like the next person; however, i would definitely consider this program if i want better for both myself & my child. again, i wished a program like this were out back when i went through university!

    cheers ,
    moe
    Last edit by SKM-NURSIEPOOH on Dec 6, '07
  10. by   Bree124
    Quote from rph3664
    Because "illegitimate" is, IMHO, an archaic term in this context. How about "Out of wedlock"?

    As for race, I love old books and magazines, and cringe when I see some of the terms used to describe non-whites, and in very mainstream publications!

    Thank you, that is exactly what I was trying to say.

    As for your question nservice, why do we need to find a one-word summary to describe children born outside of marriage? We don't really have a one-word way to describe a child born to married parents, do we? I would think that "out of wedlock" works just fine.
  11. by   nservice
    OKOKOK, instead of paying my student loans, I should have just had a child, "out of wedlock" before nursing school and gotten my education for free.
  12. by   akwesook
    Quote from nservice
    okokok, instead of paying my student loans, i should have just had a child, "out of wedlock" before nursing school and gotten my education for free.
    excuse me? if you ever had to live those words

    ----having children and going to school on assistance and whatever you could earn---- having to decide between food and rent or rent and heat while seeing your children in too-small clothes---

    dragging home beat and doing the dinner-bath-story ---helping another child with homework-- then trying to do cleaning and laundry --or maybe even sleep sometimes

    trying to come up with shoes and scrubs for clinicals--not to mention something like christmas or birthdays for said children ...

    i wonder if you would be saying that. women get married and men leave.... or someone forgets the pill or the condom is not put on properly--stuff happens --it's what you do with it
  13. by   Bree124
    Quote from nservice
    OKOKOK, instead of paying my student loans, I should have just had a child, "out of wedlock" before nursing school and gotten my education for free.

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