Turning single parents into nurses - page 3

(New York-WABC, December 12, 2006) -- There is a unique free program aimed at filling the acute shortage of nurses and, perhaps more importantly, getting single parents educated and back into the... Read More

  1. by   Katnip
    Quote from banditrn
    Bree - you can 'prefer' to think whatever you chose. It doesn't change the fact that some programs are just pushing unqualified or uncaring people into a career choice that they have no business being in.

    How much better it would be to go by test scores and interests than pushing people into a nursing program 'just because it only takes 2 years and you make good money'.

    This is going to set some people up for failure because they don't have the aptitude or education to fulfill the basic requirements.
    First, this is 5 students, not hundreds, or even dozens, and it's a pilot program to see if it's a viable solution for some single mothers.

    Second, do you know for a fact that they weren't tested prior to acceptance? Just because that wasn't mentioned in the article doesn't mean it didn't happen.
  2. by   llg
    Quote from mgerrity
    The reason they are educating them for nursing is because of the nursing shortage. I dont think there is an engineering shortage is there? .
    I'm not sure about all the engineering specialties, but there are shortages in other fields -- some of them in health care. For example, there are shortages in Pharmacists and Respiratory Therapists. Why aren't they educating people for those professions? There are plenty of shortages for skilled workers in biotech industries -- and many of those positions doen't even require a college degree!
    Why aren't they training these single moms for those types of jobs?

    No ... I've been around the block a few times. The reason that many programs such as the one described in the article focuses on nursing only was because the program designers believe that any woman can be a nurse. They have less respect for nursing than they do for those other professions.
  3. by   mgerrity
    Quote from llg
    I'm not sure about all the engineering specialties, but there are shortages in other fields -- some of them in health care. For example, there are shortages in Pharmacists and Respiratory Therapists. Why aren't they educating people for those professions? There are plenty of shortages for skilled workers in biotech industries -- and many of those positions doen't even require a college degree!
    Why aren't they training these single moms for those types of jobs?

    No ... I've been around the block a few times. The reason that many programs such as the one described in the article focuses on nursing only was because the program designers believe that any woman can be a nurse. They have less respect for nursing than they do for those other professions.
    How do you know there aren't programs for training people in other fields? The article was about the nursing program. I dont believe that they think just anyone or any woman can be a nurse either. My brother is also a nurse, so some of them might be men with a child too. I am sure they have qualifications they have to meet to be accepted into the program. I haven't seen a lack of respect for nurses where we are, in fact, most nurses I know are proud to be nurses, and the people I know are generally very thankful for the nurses that take care of their loved ones.. I think the program will also weed out those that shouldn't be nurses. Think about it, if someone doesn't have the initiatve or the ambition, they wont make it through the training program anyway.
  4. by   HM2VikingRN
    But we owe them a chance to better their lives....Education is the best tcket...
  5. by   Jolie
    Quote from HM2Viking
    we owe them
    What have we done to be in their debt?
  6. by   akwesook
    i agree that they should be helped, as i said before the problem is in being a single mom and working our horrendous hours at the expense of the children, unless there is a caretaker in the home -like a grandma.
    i speak from experience-having done it. when i compare working 9-5 as a single parent to shift work as a single parent the difference was amazing. those who really want to be nurses will find a way- btw through the p.a.s.s. program those on ssdi can get help for higher education- or starting a business ..anything that will give them back self sufficiency --i believe this was about able people who made some judgment errors in education

  7. by   RNDreamer
    I honestly don't think it was meant like that. Honestly, what will make everyone happy? We complain that people are on welfare and do nothing to better themselves, then a program like this comes along and we complain about that. Honestly, while I respect that everyone has their own opinions, I feel like people on welfare are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Let's see what happens. They may have a great outcome.


    Quote from Jolie
    What have we done to be in their debt?
  8. by   Bree124
    Quote from banditrn
    Bree - you can 'prefer' to think whatever you chose. It doesn't change the fact that some programs are just pushing unqualified or uncaring people into a career choice that they have no business being in.

    How much better it would be to go by test scores and interests than pushing people into a nursing program 'just because it only takes 2 years and you make good money'.

    This is going to set some people up for failure because they don't have the aptitude or education to fulfill the basic requirements.
    I guess you just have a mentality that I don't understand. You are taking one short article, and surmising from it that unqualified and uncaring people are being pushed into a field where they will surely fail? These people may have aced entrance exams (we don't know, since we weren't provided with that information), but because the programs are designed to help single mothers it must just be handing out a free education to anyone who knows how to procreate and fill out an application?

    We don't know their aptitude. We don't know the education that they will be going through. I would guess that if they can take and pass the NCLEX, it's similar to the education you'd get anywhere else, isn't that the point of having a standardized test?
  9. by   llg
    Quote from mgerrity
    How do you know there aren't programs for training people in other fields? The article was about the nursing program. I dont believe that they think just anyone or any woman can be a nurse either. My brother is also a nurse, so some of them might be men with a child too. I am sure they have qualifications they have to meet to be accepted into the program. I haven't seen a lack of respect for nurses where we are, in fact, most nurses I know are proud to be nurses, and the people I know are generally very thankful for the nurses that take care of their loved ones.. I think the program will also weed out those that shouldn't be nurses. Think about it, if someone doesn't have the initiatve or the ambition, they wont make it through the training program anyway.
    As I said in my earlier post, I am OK with it IF they are properly screeening the candidates and maintaining high standards throughout the program. But in my experience, there is a lot of pressure on the faculty of such programs to pass the students through the program even though their performance may be marginal. Many graduates of such programs become the "problem employees" of tomorrow -- IF they graduate and pass boards at all.

    How many graduates of such programs have you worked with closely?
  10. by   Bree124
    Quote from llg
    [B]Many graduates of such programs become the "problem employees" of tomorrow -- IF they graduate and pass boards at all.
    I am assuming that you must have data on this?
  11. by   lizmatt
    Just thought I would chime in here though I am a little offended by some attitudes on this thread the positive, supportive posters make up for it.


    I attend a very similar program, though not just for nursing school and it is not a total free ride as we are still required to pay tuition through scholarships and loans. My program is for MOTIVATED single mothers who would like to achieve higher education. One of the stipulations of being accepted to the program is to be accepted to the college first. You also must meet the requirements of the major. Of the women I have lived with the majors have varied from education, physical therapy, psychology, speech and language pathology and medical imaging.

    The program provides housing, and other support for its participants.

    I am a single parent.
    I was never married.
    However, I am not below achieving a degree and will be getting my BSN this May.
    I don't think anyone owes me anything - but it sure is great that I have gotten help to make a better life.
    Sure my life was a little off track in my early 20s, if it wasn't I would have already completed my degree. But to assume that because I am a single mother, never married that I am popping out fatherless children for my personal gain is absurd.

    Anyway, programs like this are popping up all over now and not just for nursing school.


    http://www.usatoday.com/news/educati...-parents_x.htm
  12. by   rph3664
    Quote from apoole77
    Just thought I would chime in here though I am a little offended by some attitudes on this thread the positive, supportive posters make up for it.


    I attend a very similar program, though not just for nursing school and it is not a total free ride as we are still required to pay tuition through scholarships and loans. My program is for MOTIVATED single mothers who would like to achieve higher education. One of the stipulations of being accepted to the program is to be accepted to the college first. You also must meet the requirements of the major. Of the women I have lived with the majors have varied from education, physical therapy, psychology, speech and language pathology and medical imaging.

    The program provides housing, and other support for its participants.

    I am a single parent.
    I was never married.
    However, I am not below achieving a degree and will be getting my BSN this May.
    I don't think anyone owes me anything - but it sure is great that I have gotten help to make a better life.
    Sure my life was a little off track in my early 20s, if it wasn't I would have already completed my degree. But to assume that because I am a single mother, never married that I am popping out fatherless children for my personal gain is absurd.

    Anyway, programs like this are popping up all over now and not just for nursing school.


    http://www.usatoday.com/news/educati...-parents_x.htm
    And you are the kind of person a program like this was intended for! What I was talking about were programs where they tell welfare recipients of either gender, "You must take job training or lose your benefits" and they guide them into this or that vocational program and it's usually a dismal failure for all involved.

    I was part of a business closing many years ago and a lot of my co-workers trained for new careers through JTPA, another government program that has done a lot of good.

    As a nurse, you WILL encounter people who have children for the welfare benefits and are very upfront about it. And then there are people who want kids and can care for them and can't have them.....
  13. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from apoole77
    I attend a very similar program, though not just for nursing school and it is not a total free ride as we are still required to pay tuition through scholarships and loans.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/educati...-parents_x.htm

    What you describe and what is described in the original article are not really the same are they? You still must apply to college and pay for your tuition and fees versus the 100% free ride the other ladies are receiving. At the end of the day knowing that you had to contribute something to your own success other than to just show up must be very fulfilling for you, isn't it? I know it's inspiring and motivating for me when I consider the fact that my achievements were made through my own hard work and sacrifices.

    Someone who has nothing invested, has nothing to lose. I am not opposed to help for single parents. I am not opposed to single parents entering nursing. I do have a problem with the idea that we should push people who have limited choices into nursing because anyone can do it and since there is such a shortage, they will always have a job. Others on this thread might not want to accept that but I know that what it's about!

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