Turning single parents into nurses - page 2

(New York-WABC, December 12, 2006) -- There is a unique free program aimed at filling the acute shortage of nurses and, perhaps more importantly, getting single parents educated and back into the... Read More

  1. by   nservice
    This is just another example of how the government rewards people who make poor choices and punishes those who make good choices. Instead of paying my student loans, I should have just had an illigitimate child before entering nursing school. I've GOT to learn to work the system.
  2. by   llg
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    However I notice that they are not setting up programs to help former welfare recipients become engineers or lawyers, just nurses- a job that doesn't take real effort or a strenuous education. .
    BINGO! You hit the nail on the head there. That hits a nerve with me. Why aren't they educating these people for other professions?
    Last edit by llg on Dec 4, '07
  3. by   CyndieRN2007
    This is great news.... People need all the help and encouragement they can get. I know from personal experience!
  4. by   Faeriewand
    Sounds like a great program! How wonderful for these people to get the opportunity to change their lives. Would love to follow up on them to see what becomes of their lives now.

    Great article.
  5. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from Quickbeam
    Back in the 1970's, I was desperately poor and working as a CNA, self supporting. I applied for a CETA LPN program and was turned down because they only took applicants with children. I contacted the administrator of the program who said it had a 60% drop out rate and she'd "kill for some decent, motivated students".

    It took me 15 more years to get my BSN.

    When I read about programs like this, I often think of the highly motivated low income young person who hasn't had children. A leg up for them would be nice, too. I'm old now but I so remember how unfair that felt.
    The HRSA nursing scholarship program was designed for students in similar situations. Sadly it is underfunded in order to pay for the war in IRAQ and tax cuts for millionaires.
  6. by   HM2VikingRN
    here is a rather compelling evidence based justification for the iowa program:


    quote:
    rationale

    quote:
    research has shown that the welfare-towork
    programs that have been most successful
    in helping parents work more and increase
    earnings over the long run are those that include
    substantial access to education and training,
    together with employment services and a strong
    overall focus on work as the goal. this is
    because skills and education credentials are keys
    to success in the labor market and because
    welfare recipients generally have low skills that
    hinder their efforts to earn enough to support a
    family.
    ...
    other, nonexperimental studies also suggest
    substantial economic benefits of postsecondary
    education for low-income parents. a 2002 study
    of the maine parents as scholars program,
    which supports welfare participants while they
    complete a two- or four-year degree, found that
    graduates increased their hourly median wages
    from $8.00 before college to $11.71
    immediately after college-a 46-percent
    increase.
    ...
    additionally, a 2004 study of recipients of
    calworks (california's welfare program) who
    had enrolled in california community colleges
    shows that the more education they attained, the
    greater their earnings, even for those who
    entered college without a high school diploma or
    ged. those who obtained an associate degree
    dramatically increased their earnings (from
    about $4,000 annually before college to nearly
    $20,000 two years after graduating), and those in
    vocational fields saw even larger increases.



    what is especially interesting about this data is how it clearly demonstrates the relationhip between job training for real jobs and raising family income above poverty.


    20,000 a year is above the federal poverty level for a family of 4. this equals about $9.92/hour. the data from families in maine went from 8$/hr to 11$/hr. effectively enaging the new economy requires job and educational skills to raise families above poverty.

    source: http://allnurses.com/forums/f112/add...on-246713.html accessed 12/4/07.

    i don't usually quote my own work but i thought that this was a pertinent addition to this thread.
  7. by   mgerrity
    Quote from rph3664
    It sounds like a good idea, sure, but the people I have encountered from programs like this (not just nursing students, but in other areas as well) almost always had such a poor work ethic, they will never be gainfully employed no matter how much job training you give them.

    This is not the same as someone who found themselves a single parent through divorce or widow(er)hood and decided to take advantage of a program like this to improve their lives and the lives of their children. I'm talking about the kinds of women who pop one fatherless child after another and think the world owes them a living because of it.
    Wow, I dont really think it's fair to say that "most people" in this type of program have a poor work ethic. I can't even believe anyone would think that let alone say that. What statistics are you basing your opinion on? The people you refer to that are popping out one fatherless child after another aren't the ones applying for this type of program. The people applying for this opportunity shouldn't be considered lazy or anything else. The fact that they are applying should say something for their situation and their enthusiasm and their committment to make their life and their children's lives better..I think the key to anyone's future is education. Just because someone may not have money or a spouse doesnt mean they are lazy, or that they don't want to work, or that they will be a bad parent or that they have a bad work ethic. I have always found nurses to be compassionate, so it is disheartening to read comments like that.
    How can anyone lump single parents into that type of group. I know plenty of two parent families with le than stellar .
  8. by   mgerrity
    Quote from llg
    BINGO! You hit the nail on the head there. That hits a nerve with me. Why are they educating these people for other professions?

    The reason they are educating them for nursing is because of the nursing shortage. I dont think there is an engineering shortage is there? Of course there are teaching shortages too, but they have to start somewhere. I think they are trying to resolve several problems with this program. #1 the nursing shortage, #2 educating someone who may not otherwise be able to afford to go to school, #3 getting people off the welfare rolls, #4 helping the nursing student to have a positive self image #5 giving kids a better chance at life, #6 breaking the cycle in the family of going from one low paying job to another low paying job.
  9. by   akwesook
    I think it is a great program but I was a single mother and a nurse- Nursing is not a field I would enter were I in the situation today. The hours make childcare a nightmare- even after I got my license my childcare providers made as much as I did. Childcare centers have evolved to be more realistic but it still makes more sense to get these mothers into a day job -medical records? medical assistants? if they have the potential even onto social work
  10. by   Bree124
    I'm not sure how it is where you live, but people working in medical records or assisting here are lucky if they make $12-13/hour. Nurses complain about their paychecks, but they're making a heck of a lot more than $13/hour (as they should be, given the amount of responsibility they have). A single mother working in medical records will most likely still need childcare assistance, WIC, etc. A single mother working as a nurse is more likely to be able to provide independently for her child/ren.

    I think the reason you see this program training nurses is that nursing is a rare area that you can get a 2-year education and land a job that pays better than the majority of bachelor's degrees. You can't teach with an associates degree, and you can't work as an engineer with an associates degree. I don't think it would make a lot of sense to fund a law education for a single mother, when it takes 7 years and an ADN program takes 2.


    Also, to banditrn - I have no issue with people questioning where their tax dollars are spent, but when we start calling people lazy and accusing them of working the system just because they qualify for an educational program, that's being judgmental. I choose to think that my tax dollars are being used by people who genuinely need a foot up, not by my cousin who has been unemployed and on welfare for years because she "doesn't feel like working."
  11. by   akwesook
    Actually I am not talking about my taxes- I am talking -FROM EXPERIENCE - about the hours we work affecting children.
    Now some single mothers live at home with family but for most -I remember taking my kids to and from daycare at odd hours and the times I couldn't even get childcare because of the hours- like it or not the real world what it is.

    I did what could not be done but believe me my kids paid the price. I think it better to give a little assistance in childcare and WIC and not make the kids lose their sense of home. I was selfish in going for my career goals at that time. I let my pride and arrogance take from them what was important, me. They are only children for a little while. It is hard enough to work a 9-5 when they need you
  12. by   Amethyst Veralyn
    Quote from lindarn
    I also would like to know if these single mothers realize that nursing is a 24/7 kind of job. Who will watch their children when they have to work evenings, nights, weekends, holidays? 24/7 affordable day care in most areas is more than likely unavailable. This is an issue for many parents, not just single mothers. I question the decision to push these individuals into a career like nursing. I think they will just trade one set of problems for another. And I agree with the above poster. Take someone who has a questionable work ethic and force them into a situation that may have no solutions.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Spokane, Washington

    When my child was going on two I worked for a home care

    agency. One night when she was ill I canceled out

    14 hours ahead of time and the scheduler yelled at me for giving,

    "short notice." It is illegal to leave them in day care when they're sick and 14 hours was not short notice and the client I had was

    someone who fully understood and was able to wait until later

    for services.

    When I suspected that she was going through abuse in her daycare

    I was not able to cancel out at the last minute without

    being terminated or to take her to work. The nursing agencies

    think child care issues are a, "personal problem," but they are

    a society problem. They should go out of their way to help you.

    They should provide emergency babysitting or daycare on a

    regular basis.

    When I found a private live in case where the family let us both

    stay, they kept me there seven days a week sometimes

    without being allowed to leave to get our groceries and so

    we had no quality time together and I couldn't provide adequate

    nutrition for her. I couldn't get the kind of foods I wanted her to have

    and I see this as a threat to her welfare.

    Single parents in nursing should be sure to work for someone

    who has genuine concern for them and their children.
  13. by   banditrn
    Quote from Bree124

    Also, to banditrn - I have no issue with people questioning where their tax dollars are spent, but when we start calling people lazy and accusing them of working the system just because they qualify for an educational program, that's being judgmental. I choose to think that my tax dollars are being used by people who genuinely need a foot up, not by my cousin who has been unemployed and on welfare for years because she "doesn't feel like working."
    Bree - you can 'prefer' to think whatever you chose. It doesn't change the fact that some programs are just pushing unqualified or uncaring people into a career choice that they have no business being in.

    How much better it would be to go by test scores and interests than pushing people into a nursing program 'just because it only takes 2 years and you make good money'.

    This is going to set some people up for failure because they don't have the aptitude or education to fulfill the basic requirements.

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