Thousands of RNs Planning 2-Day Strike - page 7

Thousands of RNs Planning 2-Day Strike Registered nurses at 13 Sutter Health chains and some other local hospitals have been negotiating for a new contract for several months. Talks have broken... Read More

  1. by   leslymill
    Some scabs itch and get scratched off a lot.
  2. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from teeituptom
    Remember that Scabs help to heal wounds

    When I cross a strike line and you call me a scab

    I remember that by nature a scab is there to heal.





















    and make big bucks
    truly incorrigible. :lol_hitti

    leslie
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 17, '07 : Reason: harmless play...unfortunately, others ran with this in the wrong direction...left in
  3. by   gentle
    Ummmm, now that sooo much has been said on both sides of this issue . . .


    Spacenurse,

    how is everything going?

    I rarely have time to catch up. Allnurses gives me a kinda one-stop shopping experience. When I need to examine details further, I go through the links. Thanks for keeping us all up-to-date.
  4. by   deehaverrn
    a worker who refuses to join a labor union or to participate in a union strike, who takes a striking worker's place on the job, or the like. --this was in the dictionary under the word "scab"
    I really didn't think of it as being name-calling just that this was a term for someone who takes a job during a strike
    I used to be against Unions too. I thought that Nursing didn't need them. However, due to our inability to be a cohesive force otherwise, I have changed my mind. And yes, also because of the success of teaching unions. I think that the failure of many public schools has more to do with the decline of the family than of the capability of the teachers. My children are in public school with a union, and they are getting excellent educations. My daughter is a Dean's list student at a very prestigious university, so they must be pretty good. But back to my point...at least with Union contracts nurses have some power. I recently hurt my back, at work, and let me tell you, NO ONE is protecting my rights! Another nurse that I know was fired, because she was unable to return to work after hurting her back! She is still fighting in court, because our hospital claims that it is work related. Can anyone explain to me how other professions have certain injuries that are pretty much guaranteed to be related to their work automatically, but we, as nurses, don't have the same? Yet disorders of the feet and back injuries of varying degrees are so prevalent in nurses but somehow not attributed to our time being spent constantly on our feet on concrete floors and lifting and turning heavy patients. This kind of thing could be different if we all stuck together. Yet, secretaries with Carpal Tunnel have no problem. All the bunion surgeries and orthopedic helps for our feet should have been totally covered as workplace related, I'm quite sure that my fellow workers were not out "wearing high heels" which is the biggest cause of bunions! It was the concrete floors under their feet! And all the back problems are from not having enough staff and mechanical assistance. In my state, the employer doesn't even have to give a reason for firing you. They can wait until you work for them for 19 yars and then just let you go. With a Union this wouldn't be possible.
    I do agree that there can be problem, but it seems to be the best choice available. In a more perfect world, our nursing leaders-in management and education would be helping the profession instead of just enjoying the view.
    I am quite sure that there are all kinds of reasons that nurses choose to cross picket lines. Some good and some not. My opinion is that we would be better off as a profession if they did not. Many in the public are not well informed about strike issues. Actually if you think about it , many of them don't even really know what nurses are doing for them in the first place. Many think any female in scrubs or in white is a nurse...When asked about how their nursing care was ...they will relate more to whether they were brought cold water or juice than actual medical issues. And they are more likely to compliment the nurse with the pleasant manner and smile, while not recognizing the nurse who recognized the ominous pattern of their fetal monitoring strip and rushed in to intervene. In short...they don't always know what's good for them. And before anyone says it...yes, it's always better to be both competent AND personable! Anyway, if we counted on public perceptions to change the way hospitals run things we'd be waiting a long time! If anything, I think that hospitals and physicians treatment of nurses as a profession is getting worse. The AMA is much more successful in protecting physicians practice than the ANA is for nursing. Recently I learned that nurse's aides in area doctors offices can not only draw blood,triage pts phone calls, and perform EKGS , they also administer both oral and intramuscular medications! They don't even have licensed nurses, not sure how they can be considered "nurse's aides" then? Even worse, the public in this office probably thinks that the person in the white uniform IS a nurse.
    When I recently contacted my states board of nurses as well as the ANA trying to find information to help me when my hospital kept assigning me to areas where my limitations imposed by my back doctors..they were no help at all. I can't even get an answer as to where I will stand if I need to continue taking narcotics to control my pain...my state does not expressly prohibit the practice. Anyway, I have been forced to either work while in pain or stay home and take the medication. I feel that taking the medication affects me too adversely to work with...so I have to make a choice. I think that maybe if we had more political power we could change this type of thing. The hospitals really don't care and won't simply do what's right, unless they are forced into it. What is probably going to happen in my case, is that eventually the hospital will fire me, because there will be too much sick time in my record due to my pain issues. This isn't right, but like I said, No One is protecting us.
    The California nurses have managed to have an impact on our states as well as their own. Although patient ratios and safe patient handling legislation has not yet been passed in my state, I hope that it will be in the future.
    I know some wonderful nurses who I am positive would cross the picket line should our hospital ever become unionized and actually strke. These are women that at present dont take breaks or lunches and stay extra time , but never put it in the time books. I have known some of them to give their own money to patients and families for meals or transportation. I tell them that I think their altuism is great, but that they aren't really helping any of us by not charging for their time worked...for one thing it makes it look like the rest of us are simply
    not trying hard enough, if they can always manage to avoid needing overtime, but mostly because they DESERVE to be paid for their skills and hard work.
    Anyway, I don't think we should denigrate each other. I apologize if I offended anyone. I just think that we are unable to establish political power if we don't stick together..hosptals that are forced to close because of the lack of staff WILL negotiate and consider the issues before them. While to us as nurses, the patient may be most important, they are running a BUSINESS, that is why we need to be organised and realize the pitfalls of our only looking at things more emotionally.
    The hosptals will continue to pay as little as possible for as few nurses as they can get away with employing. Dividing more and more of our work out to unlicensed staff only clouds the issue.
    Anyway, I don't like some of the insults on here either. But please know that even "line crossers" who are doing it because they want to help the patients, are really only hurting EVERYONE in the long run.
  5. by   Miss Mab
    What's really ironic is that the "scabs" ----here and elsewhere---were running around crowing about 'the big strike bucks.' they were gonna make!!!

    40 something an hour? That's less than our new grads make at my former Sutter Facility.

    Anybody claiming they 'helped' by forcing the hospitals to pay or take the strikers more seriously is nuts.

    I wonder how much money you all saved a corporation that cares little for your fellow nurses.

    No wonder they're looking forward to another round..



    Oh yeah, before someone says it, I heard about the 90 buck thing--some agencies did get that--not the nurses
  6. by   teeituptom
    Quote from Miss Mab
    What's really ironic is that the "scabs" ----here and elsewhere---were running around crowing about 'the big strike bucks.' they were gonna make!!!

    40 something an hour? That's less than our new grads make at my former Sutter Facility.

    Anybody claiming they 'helped' by forcing the hospitals to pay or take the strikers more seriously is nuts.

    I wonder how much money you all saved a corporation that cares little for your fellow nurses.

    No wonder they're looking forward to another round..



    Oh yeah, before someone says it, I heard about the 90 buck thing--some agencies did get that--not the nurses
    I generally get myself 70 to 80 dollaras an hour differentials, traveling expenses, room and board, sometimes even green fees are negotiated in
  7. by   turbohound
    Tom,

    You do a diservice to the profession when you exploit a labor stoppage for your own gains. Nursing is supposed to be about serving others, not yourself.

    When you do this, you dishonor all the people (teachers, nurses, preceptors, etc) who gave of themselves so you can be where you are today.
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 17, '07 : Reason: flame edited out....giving you a chance...be careful
  8. by   Miss Mab
    Quote from turbohound
    Tom,

    You do a diservice to the profession when you exploit a labor stoppage for your own gains.


    Don't worry......there wasn't nearly as much gained as old Tom would have you believe.


    Now I actually do make 70/hr and I get to sleep in my own bed----integrity and conscience intact and all. Sshhhh....
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 17, '07 : Reason: derogatory sentence edited out ...very close to points...careful
  9. by   Thunderwolf
    I am giving folks a chance to cool down....due to the nature of the topic and what has been said thus far. I will come back later to see if the tone has cooled somewhat. If not, the thread will be closed for awhile to allow that to happen.

    Please return to topic. Let's be respectful once again.

    Peace my brothers and sisters.
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 17, '07
  10. by   Thunderwolf
    Quote from turbohound
    Tom,

    You do a diservice to the profession when you exploit a labor stoppage for your own gains. Nursing is supposed to be about serving others, not yourself.

    When you do this, you dishonor all the people (teachers, nurses, preceptors, etc) who gave of themselves so you can be where you are today.

    I can understand your passion. However, many nurses DO enter and stay in the field for the income....and yet, they are also wonderful nurses at what they do. This is not an all or nothing thing. Most nurses do not and will not work for low wages. And some nurses work for the highest wages they can obtain. And most of us nurses work for wages in between. This is a reality....nothing more.

    There is no diservice in this. I see no dishonor. These are the realities in the world of work.
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 17, '07
  11. by   Miss Mab
    Quote from Thunderwolf
    I can understand your passion. However, many nurses DO enter and stay in the field for the income....and yet, they are also wonderful nurses at what they do. This is not an all or nothing thing. Most nurses do not work for low wages. And some nurses work for the highest wages they can obtain. And most of us nurses work for wages in between. This is a reality....nothing more.

    There is no diservice in this.

    With all due respect, I think you're missing the point.

    I don't think anyone(in this thread, anyway) has implied that you can't be in it for the money and be a good nurse. Heck, I'm one of them! I've said publicly many a time that though I'm good at what I do I simply wouldn't be a nurse in other areas of the country were we are disrespected wage-wise. But that wasn't the point of the post.

    Crossing a labor union picket line--while always somebody's choice---has far greater implications than just 'working for the highest wages they can obtain.' Personal choice, sure, but not 'nothing more'
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 17, '07 : Reason: challenging words to administrator contributes nothing, edited out
  12. by   Thunderwolf
    Your position has been noted...and thank you, Miss Mab.

    My position at times is to remind folks of the realities...but, passions by others may flame it into something else.

    Respectfully moving forward.
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 17, '07
  13. by   caroladybelle
    So stop being insulting and dismissive another nurse that chooses freely to be a strike nurse.

    ALL nurses do not have to hold the same opinions. Wishing to one's opinions valued, one needs to accept and honor another's stands on the same issue.

    While I do not agree with all of the moderator opinions here at allnurses.com, I do respect that they have to moderate appropriate. Part of that involves permitting opinions that may not be popular with the majority, but still valid and spoken politely.

    For all the "thousands" of union nurses out there, there are probably many more that are proudly nonunion, but that still honor strikes. Some of the attitudes shown here are significant damaging to the unions because of their divisiveness and just reinforce the ideas that we don't want to have anything to do with them.

    Great way to harm your cause, guys.

    If unions are so great for nurses and facilities, and are standing up for a valid cause, they will win the cause and have nothing to fear from strikebreakers. But if they are not "all that", they do have a reason to fear them.
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Oct 17, '07 : Reason: removed a deleted quote by another member

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