the scoop on water fluoridation - page 3

if you've heard of the issue of water fluoridation already, perhaps you've been left with the impression that the "anti-fluoridationists" are a bunch of wacko conspiracy theorists. that's what i... Read More

  1. by   HamsterRN
    While I find conspiracy theories that do an impressive job of twisting science, this is not one of those.

    One of the biggest flaws is arguing against fluoride salts based on the properties of other fluorine containing compounds. Hydronium (H30) is one of the most acidic substances known to exist, does that mean we should stop consuming it's close relative (H2O)?

    A common argument is that Europe has low cavity rates even though they don't fluorinate their drinking water. Actually, Europe fluorinates their table salt instead (Europe's drinking water infrastructure is far less centralized than the US, making water fluorination impractical).

    The amount of fluorine added to drinking water is not dangerous, and at 0.5-1 ppm, is only slightly higher than the average level of fluoride found naturally in drinking water (drinking water averages 0.3 ppm). At 0.5-1 ppm, a child would have to drink 250-500 gallons of water in one day in order to reach the minimum levels required to produce significant adverse effects, to put this in perspective, the amount of fluoride in 500 gallons of fluorinated water is the same amount of fluoride as you would find in half a tube of toothpaste.

    There is in interesting argument to be made about compulsory cavity prevention and individual rights, which is why many areas, such as where I live, provide fluoride filters free of charge. But arguing against water fluorination as a safety threat is scientifically irresponsible and basically attacks poor children, the target beneficiary of fluorination.

    While it's hard to argue with the 430 chiropractors who oppose fluorination since when it comes to the pharmacokinetics of halide salts, chiropractors would be the obvious resource, but I tend to defer to people who study these topics for a living, such as the CDC:
    http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/pdf/natures_way.pdf
  2. by   Anne36
    Scarier than the fact we have all been hoodwinked into drinking flouridated water all these years is when people start throwing around names like CDC as credible sources of information.

    Keep watching CNN , FOX news and for Godsakes when the next Hurricane strikes wait for FEMA to rescue you. LOL, I dont mean to personnaly to attack anyone, Im sure you are all good people unknowingly following the herd.
  3. by   SuesquatchRN
    Quote from Anne36
    Scarier than the fact we have all been hoodwinked into drinking flouridated water all these years is when people start throwing around names like CDC as credible sources of information.

    Keep watching CNN , FOX news and for Godsakes when the next Hurricane strikes wait for FEMA to rescue you. LOL, I dont mean to personnaly to attack anyone, Im sure you are all good people unknowingly following the herd.
    Please don't mention the actual scientists and physicians employed by the CDC in the same breath as Fox and that fool who headed up FEMA under Dubya.
  4. by   AgentBeast
    Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity. Otherwise known as Occam's Razor. What is more likely? There is a huge multinational conspiracy involving a multitude of organizations and millions of people to kill everybody by fluoridating our tap water, or that it isn't harmful and it may even be beneficial?
  5. by   ZenaBethune
    HEALTH EFFECTS: Estimated Minimum Lethal Dose of Fluoride
    Estimated Minimum Lethal Dose of Fluoride

    Nys Cof and New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc. shared a link.
    Florida Institute of Phosphate Research - FIPR Report 2003 - Public & Environmental Health
    Florida Institute of Phosphate Research - An Independent State Research Agency
    Florida Institute of Phosphate Research - FIPR Report 2003 - Public Environmental Health
    Florida Institute of Phosphate Research, an independent state research agency located in Bartow, Florida.

    Horses Killed by Fluoride in Water
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58Ep...ext=1&index=13

    Professional Perspectives: Fluoride in Tap Water -Dr Bill Osmunson D.D. S
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ys9q...eature=related
  6. by   ZenaBethune
    The Dangers Of Fluoride
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlLGQ2QYrRw&NR=1

    Fluoride Poisoning - EPA Union Workers go before congress to Oppose Fluoride
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLgKe...eature=related


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8NLbRL860U&feature=fvw
    Fluoride Deception
    "Catch a seat it's about to get deep, like squeezing fluoride on your brush for your teeth" Something everyone should watch. Hope it starts a debate.


    Human Dangers
    Dr A K Susheela-
    Fluoride Poisoning
    Human Dangers Australia | Fluoride Court Action Australia | Fluoride Court Action
  7. by   ZenaBethune
    Fluoride - Dr. Phyllis Mullenix pt. 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4QrT...eature=related

    Fluoride - Dr. Phyllis Mullenix pt. 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuK7-af6diA&NR=1

    THE DAMAGING EFFECTS OF FLUORIDE FOR TEETH ON THYROID AND BRAIN, AND A CURE
    http://charles_w.tripod.com/fluoride.html

    By Charles Weber, has a degree in chemistry and a masters degree in soil science. He has researched copper and potassium nutrition for over 30 years, primarily a library research, as well as fluoride poison for the last year. He has published articles on allied subjects in; The Journal of Theoretical Biology (1970, 1983), The Journal of Applied Nutrition (1974), Clinical and Experimental Rheumatology (1983), and Medical Hypotheses (1984, 1999, 2007, and 2008.

    European Court Ruling Spells End to Water Fluoridation !
    Doug Cross, 10th May 2009 (UKCAF website)
    In effect, this decision at last confirms the claim that I have made for many years - that existing medicinal law has always required that fluoridated water be regulated as a medicine.
    Fluoridated water has no medicinal marketing authorization ('product license'), and because of this it is - and always has been - illegal to supply it to the public, as the 1968 Medicines Act confirms.

    European Court Ruling Spells End to Water Fluoridation !
    Welcome to The Health Vine
  8. by   AgentBeast
    It is very hard to take seriously anyone who quotes youtube as a credible source of information.

    [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9w8YyZVnGo[/YOUTUBE]
  9. by   ZenaBethune
    Thanks Scott that proves my point !
    NTEU 280 Fluoride
    Those exposed before birth were born hyperactive and remained so ... She showed in test animals that this inhibition causes an earlier onset of .... Some young children get too much fluoride. Parker-Pope, T. Wall Street Journal Dec. ...
    NTEU 280 Fluoride - Cached - Simil
  10. by   Fribblet
    Quote from HamsterRN

    While it's hard to argue with the 430 chiropractors who oppose fluorination since when it comes to the pharmacokinetics of halide salts, chiropractors would be the obvious resource, but I tend to defer to people who study these topics for a living, such as the CDC:
    http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/pdf/natures_way.pdf
    Personally, I don't find it hard to argue with a group of people who believe manipulating your spine can cure asthma.

    Just poppin' in to say this is the BEST.THREAD.EVER.
  11. by   ZenaBethune
    I have an answer for that too!
    CDC Lies About Fluoride Safety

    Postby NYSCOF Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:22 am
    The Centers for Disease Control is often quoted as claiming fluoridation is a good thing. However, CDC dentists are hired to promote fluoridation, not study it. Editors who rely on CDC assurances, without independent research, are doing a disservice to their readers. Whoever wrote this editorial is unaware of the modern science which shows ingesting fluoride is ineffective at reducing tooth decay (at any age) is harmful to health and a huge waste of money and time.

    CDC representatives have been known to fudge the truth. For example:Transcript: PART 1: A critique of CDC's William Bailey's comments to the Fairbanks, Alaska, City Council, on March 6, 2008
    Here’s the truth:

    National Research Council (2006)

    This isn’t a fluoridation risk/benefit analysis. It found EPA’s current fluoride maximum-contaminant-level-goal (MCLG) for drinking water is not protective of health and must be lowered. EPA has yet to act upon this recommendation. Several members of the NRC panel believe fluoride's MCLG should be as close to zero as possible.(1)

    Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (2003)

    This report says "… subsets of the population may be unusually susceptible to the toxic effects of fluoride and its compounds…the elderly, people with osteoporosis, people with deficiencies of calcium, magnesium, vitamin C, and/or protein." (2)

    for the rest of the story ..........StarNewsOnline.com | View topic - CDC Lies About Fluoride Safety

    That pamphlet, you refer to was an an Endorsement not Scientific Research.......endorsing does not make it correct, and does not reveal , or give you any research or statisitics, like we activist's for a Fluoroide Free America would give......

    When a person is on a drug , do you go to an ad in the Cosmopolitan magazine , where some salesman wants you to buy,to see if they endorse it? Or do you look a drug up in the PDR or Nurses Drug guide?

    By the way you won't find Fluoride or hydrofluorosilicic acid in a Drug book, it listed as toxin in the MSDS,* the FDA has never Approved any o f these fluoride toxins for the treatment or prevention of dental caries.
    Doesn't your dentist fill a dental caries ? Or does he use what he thinks will prevent dental caries on the tooth before or after the dental caries occurs.
    The Studies I have read , indicate that with us having to drink fluoridated water , the research showed it prevented ONE surface of one tooth from getting decay.......the overdose's cause Dental Fluorosis.......follow the money trail......to cosmetic dentistry.
    that is what is added to our drinking water, and what is in your child's gels or varnishes your dental hygienist uses on your lovely child, a dose of 22.600ppm, 1ppm =1mg, 3mg-5mg is fatal. And you allow it and you believe they are telling you the truth.
    They do not tell your child to swallow any of the gels or varnishes of course cuz it would kill them........but you and I know some of it has to get absorbed into the gums and buccal cavities, and fluoride is absorbed immediately, and accumulated in the organs brain, and bones and teeth....
    Has yours or your childs teeth, been sample for the amount of fluoride that has accumulated in their teeth by drinking fluoridated water yet? Shouldn't your dentist want to know if the child has gotten toxic yet , and will develop Dental Fluorosis, for their age and weight, before he prescribes more? Or , another test the Orthopedic surgeons could do , is to test bones after removing the femur head during a total hip , to see if the bone is porous from too much fluroide or not. That is where its deposited and blocks the Osteoblasts.
    Why don't they? They don't want to know? Because if it is true, then they would I would think want to stop flooding us with this toxic waste , fluorosilicic acid, but then their income would drop , cuz not as many bones would fracture so easily, and that would mean less money.
    How a person could be deficient in a pesticide, just doesn't make much sense.
    I suppose the next thing they will want to do is Prevent Cancer and add Chemo Therapy to our drinking water! Or maybe Preparation H would work better for our hemorrhoids if we add it to the water! After all , one strip of toothpaste is the same dose as a fluroide tablet, maybe we should just swallow a strip of toothpaste, even though it says on the tube, if you swallow more than one pea size amount , call the Poison control, 800#
    I am just trying to make some sense out of their logic is all...and I can't seem to!

    Or why doesn't a dentist test your child's blood level for fluoride to see if their toxic yet or deficient in the pesticide / fertilizer yet, after-all do they know what dose of this neurotoxin is needed to prevent tooth decay, or haven't they ever figured that out yet.?

    It's like when the birth control pill came out and all of us woman were given really high doses. And were getting depressed, or high strung or blood clots, and PE's and deaths. These hormones for birth control are made from pregnant mares, that they obtain from the horses urine . Funny thing is they never bothered to test the woman's hormones normal levels, so all of us got a 1500lb horses dose of estrogen, for years until they figured it out ! By then it was too late for alot of us........

    And if you believe propaganda and politics and big corporates , after what this nation has gone through in the last two years.......
    then you differently have drank too much fluoride......cuz it makes you very docile and you will not question authority.....even if it means saving your child's life or your own......

    I am not getting my knowledge from a pamphlet from those who want to make millions from it......
    I go directly to the EPA, FDA, AMA, ADA, and read............research paper after research paper...
    Read what the EPA testified about Fluoride before congress......Google Dr. Hirzy from the EPA and his testimony is on you tube as well....good luck and I wish you the best ........its good your questioning me , I don't mind its a start for anyone one who is skeptical.....
    I don't mind I was ignorant too before I had time to learn more about it ...and my 5 disease processes I have from it.
    All I know is I'm going to try to take care of my own life and don't worry , I would never try to sell you on drinking Poison!

    * Fluorosilicic Acid
    MSDS Sheets for Health & Safety Compliance - Search & Manage Data ...
    MSDS Online - Solutions for MSDS Compliance. Search millions of original MSDS documents in an indexed electronic format. MSDS Online makes it easy to Search ...
    MSDS Sheets for Health Manage Data Sheets | MSDSonline.com
    Last edit by ZenaBethune on Sep 24, '10 : Reason: spelling check
  12. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from ZenaBethune
    I have an answer for that too!
    CDC Lies About Fluoride Safety
    *** They do? Well then they are probaly lying about everything else too. I bet they have been lying their butt off about hand washing too. That's it, I am no longer going to wash my hands between patients.
  13. by   ZenaBethune
    Hand Washing is the best method for Infection Control !
    But now, major companies are selling Alcohol gels to hospitals to try to replace the best way of infection control
    which is hand-washing. WE learned that by demonstration in our chemistry class.
    But to make money, and to make nurses more lazy,the latest thing, is the Alcohol gels, isn't it?
    They are in every room, on your med cart, in the bathrooms, in the kitchen, in the cafeteria. Big MONEY MAKER FOR SOME COMPANY>
    While all nurses are being exposed to high doses of toxic alcohol , livers are going to suffer for it , and infection will
    be less controlled, in my opinion.
    Another stupid idea for profit! Who suffer's for it ? Nurses, and patients.

    another clinical study on affects of toxic fluoride:
    http://www.fluoride-journal.com/00-33-2/332-66.pdf

    A CLINICAL AND BIOCHEMICAL STUDY OF CHRONIC
    FLUORIDE TOXICITY IN CHILDREN OF KHERU THANDA
    OF GULBARGA DISTRICT, KARNATAKA, INDIA
    The prevalence of dental and skeletal fluorosis was determined
    among children of Kheru Nayak Thanda of Gulbarga district, where the fluoride
    concentration in drinking water ranges from 0.6 to 13.4 ppm and the water
    has low levels of copper and zinc. These children were investigated clinically,
    radiologically and biochemically. The study revealed that 89% of the children
    had dental fluorosis and 39% exhibited skeletal fluorosis.

    Fluorine is the most electronegative element, distributed ubiquitously as
    fluorides in nature. Water is the major medium of fluoride intake by humans.1
    Fluoride can rapidly cross the cell membrane and is distributed in skeletal and
    cardiac muscle, liver, skin,2 and erythrocytes.3 Fluorosis is a major public
    health problem resulting from long-term consumption of water with high fluoride
    levels. It is characterized by dental mottling and skeletal manifestations
    such as crippling deformities, osteoporosis, and osteosclerosis.
    In India, as many as 15 states are affected by endemic fluorosis, and an extensive
    belt of high fluoride in water and soil is reported in South India.
    read on if you care to................http://www.fluoride-journal.com/00-33-2/332-66.pdf

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