The Policeman vs. The Nurse - page 12

From the New York Times, "What do you think? Should someone be fired for talking back to a police officer outside the workplace? Are the rules different if the person is a health care worker?" ... Read More

  1. Visit  infermierequebecoise profile page
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    This is really so unfortunate...We dont know the background story, cant know what he did to upset her, and cant know what her intentions were when she made that comment. But I doubt this was really a genuine threat, since as was mentioned already, if the cop had really thought she was threatening him, he would have arrested her right then and there. He instead went the childish way, and kinda increased public opinion that COPS think themselves higher than everyone else. When a nurse gets threatened or hit at work, how often do we report it? We usually (well at least here in quebec anyways) just blow it off, because we know theres not much we can do about it. I really hope karma comes and bites this guy in the a**, but whoops, maybe I should be careful, he might read this blog and have ME fired for threatening him
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  3. Visit  aimee1963 profile page
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    I don't think the nurse should have been fired, but she was stupid to make a comment to the police officer. You don't understand that when they pull you over, they can use their discretion to do whatever. You should smile, not say anything and get your redress through the court system if need be. It is foolish to threaten a police officer and if that nurse had any judgement, she would have used it. Police officers don't pull you over for no reason. It's amazing how far a smile and some cooperation will get you. When the officer sees my scrubs and hospital ID, I usually get a warning and no ticket. So I shut up and put up.
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  4. Visit  ImThatGuy profile page
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    Quote from aimee1963
    I don't think the nurse should have been fired, but she was stupid to make a comment to the police officer. You don't understand that when they pull you over, they can use their discretion to do whatever. You should smile, not say anything and get your redress through the court system if need be. It is foolish to threaten a police officer and if that nurse had any judgement, she would have used it. Police officers don't pull you over for no reason. It's amazing how far a smile and some cooperation will get you. When the officer sees my scrubs and hospital ID, I usually get a warning and no ticket. So I shut up and put up.
    This is so true.
  5. Visit  Ruas61 profile page
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    Quote from ImThatGuy
    I'm sure she wasn't terminated specifically for the merits in question. I can't imagine firing, or being able to fire someone for that, and I've gotten rid of my share of employees. That said, people routinely complain on the police in regards to everything (literally) so maybe the police department felt they had it coming. Who knows? However, what she said doesn't constitute a threat so even if he could put that on a citation (here felonies can't go on citations) it'd get thrown out and laughed at.

    That said, patrol officers routinely get complaints about their driving habits. I'm sure I have, however, they've never been vocalized to me. Also, I've heard several complaints about radios being left on in police cars while the officer is inside a business or something. Apparently passerbys don't like hearing them. I have received complaints for my speech patterns (literally the complainant didn't like my voice), "being mean," looking at someone "the wrong way," for being present, blocking traffic (lawfully I might add), appearing "too officious," and for using the drive thru. None of them meant anything, but my supervisors felt compelled to share them with me to enjoy a laugh or two.
    Do police officers routinely go running off to talk to employers about people they have ticketed?

    It gains no respect in my book.

    Actually, it comes across as imlying that there is an authority above their job position to do as they please.

    In one of my more pisser moments, I would call it smaking of Nazism.
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  6. Visit  ImThatGuy profile page
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    The officer, I'm sure, told his supervisor who went up the chain with it, and admin may have shared that with the nurse's COC. Would I have wanted that? No. Do I find it humorous? Yes.
  7. Visit  StNeotser profile page
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    Quote from ImThatGuy
    The officer, I'm sure, told his supervisor who went up the chain with it, and admin may have shared that with the nurse's COC. Would I have wanted that? No. Do I find it humorous? Yes.
    You don't know that the officer told his supervisor. You don't know anything other than has been reported like the rest of us. You also don't have a good sense of humour if this is an example.
  8. Visit  ImThatGuy profile page
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    Quote from StNeotser
    You don't know that the officer told his supervisor. You don't know anything other than has been reported like the rest of us. You also don't have a good sense of humour if this is an example.
    Nor do I care.
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  9. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from SitcomNurse
    I hope you do not ever come to my starbucks!

    I hope I never have to deliver your pizza!!

    I hope you are never ____________!!

    Where does it end?

    How about.. I hope you are never my paitent because I would hate to do everything you need to make you well and send you home to your family again after how rudely you treated me.
    I don't see where the officer was rude before she made her remark. She was speeding and he gave her a ticket that she tried to get out of by playing the "fellow city employee" card.

    It's interesting how few people are angry at the hospital who actually fired the nurse. One officer doesn't have the power to demand the nurse be fired. I guess we're so used to management failing to support their nurses it barely raises an eyebrow anymore.
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  10. Visit  SitcomNurse profile page
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    Quote from nursel56
    It's interesting how few people are angry at the hospital who actually fired the nurse. One officer doesn't have the power to demand the nurse be fired. I guess we're so used to management failing to support their nurses it barely raises an eyebrow anymore.
    Im 'angry' at the hospital that fired the nurse., It was totally uncalled for. But all theose other things applied too.... Im being a bit flip, but honestly, if I **** off the pizza guy, is he going to spit on my pizza the next time I order.
    I can never froget the man who peed in his bosses coffee pot... but those are direct situations, one person getting back at another. There has to be more to the story, and more to the cop and nurse in the story.

    All im saying is, isnt is possible that the nurse was saying ..... I hope youre never my patient, because I would have to do everything I can for you, even though you ****** me off. I am morally and institutionaly bound to do the right thing for you, even though you are treating me poorly.

    I ddin't pull the 'fellow civil service' card out when I got a ticket for parking in the fire zone at my own hospital, even though I was there to pick up a paitent when was held up 30 minutes on a discharge because they couldnt locate a wheelchair.
    I mean, how many wheelchairs are just laying around, cleared by infection control in a 12 story hospital?

    Management is sooo not standing behind their nurses,,, especially in this case....

    Aside from that.... I am not a litigious person....the hospital should have thought this through, and I hope the nurse sues.
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  11. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from SitcomNurse
    Im 'angry' at the hospital that fired the nurse., It was totally uncalled for. But all theose other things applied too.... Im being a bit flip, but honestly, if I **** off the pizza guy, is he going to spit on my pizza the next time I order.
    I would hope not, but a few unbalanced characters will always end up with paying jobs for a little while at least, and I have heard many a half-joking "threat" so who really knows? I wouldn't rule out further wacky behavior from a person who seemed wacky in the first encounter.
    I can never froget the man who peed in his bosses coffee pot... but those are direct situations, one person getting back at another. There has to be more to the story, and more to the cop and nurse in the story.
    I hadn't heard about that! I agree about the "more to the story" part. None of us were there. We didn't hear the tone of the conversation or the exact words used by both parties, which we really must have before evaluating the intent of their words. So all of the possible interpretations here aren't really wrong, just speculation as we don't have enough info.
    I ddin't pull the 'fellow civil service' card out when I got a ticket for parking in the fire zone at my own hospital, even though I was there to pick up a paitent when was held up 30 minutes on a discharge because they couldnt locate a wheelchair.
    I mean, how many wheelchairs are just laying around, cleared by infection control in a 12 story hospital?
    I've read a lot of threads here about nurses getting let off tickets once the officer becomes aware that the driver is a nurse. I was pulled over for "no seat belt"-(actually no shoulder harness) on a New Year's Day on my way to work, but I'm certain the real reason I was pulled over was the "vintage" of my car combined with carpet cop presence right around the time the Rose Parade/Rose Bowl crowd was heading out. They were looking for DUIs. I get it- my car was "profiled" and I want to get drunk drivers off the road too-- but once he determined the real situation he was not in the least bit less of a hard-nosed *****. Yeah I was angry but really-- he had every right to give me that "seat belt looking for DUI" ticket, so I kept my mouth shut and signed the thing while silently feeling sorry for that guy's family to have to live with such an ***-**** every day.

    I guess being a nurse doesn't matter much to the CHP at least. Lesson learned..
    Last edit by nursel56 on Oct 26, '10 : Reason: Have been informed swearwords have to be all asterisk no hints allowed.


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