The Philippine health care system will collapse, doctors & nurses driven overseas - page 5

The Philippine health care system will collapse within the next two to three years as dismal working conditions continue to drive local doctors and nurses overseas.... Read More

  1. by   elnski
    Quote from kurosawa
    I thought I was OK with 'Philippine' as an adjective:

    Oxford English Dictionary: Philippine, a.2: Of or pertaining to a Filipino, or to the Philippine islands (now the Republic of the Philippines).

    However, if I inadvertently violated a rule of Taglish, I apologize for the error (and will remind myself to use 'Filipino' for all adjectival use instead as I hope it will be correct in all contexts).
    .

    You're alrght there.. M issuing the usage of Philippinos and Philippinas...:uhoh21:

    No offense, mates!!
  2. by   nursing 101
    Quote from Rep
    Well, let me tell you one thing about immigrant visa and alien registered card. The US Embassy gives the immigrant visas ( employment based visas ) to nurses after the interview. Also during the interview their Philippine pasports are stamped with a note saying these nurses are lawfull legal residents. These are needed when you enter US territory. Once the foreign nurses are in US territory, in a span of 6 months, they will be receiving their alien registered card identifying them as lawful legal resident of the US. Now, you know the difference between immigrant visas and the alien registration. And if their Philippine passports have expired already. They don't need to have their new Philippine passports stamped again because they already have their alien registered card.

    And one thing why some Filipinos are afraid of deportation because they are not well informed of their rights as legal immigrants.

    By the way, an immigrant ( employment or family based ) doesn't apply for a alien registration card as you have implied in your above post. It is given to the immigrant 6 months after he/she arrived in the US.
    Again all you are saying "might" be true... But as I stated before not in my neck of the woods.
    I will re-state again people/nurse can apply after they get here for an alien card. It is not issued by every foreign nurse agency some only give the visas. So I am going to agree to disagree with you regarding this. As we know there are so many agencies out there trying to get nurses in this country by any means.
    And as you know as well nothing takes exactly 6 months in this country. So by the time they actually get their alien card it might be up to 2 years. Between that time they won't speak up against hospital conditions.
    I know you are defending your rights as a Filipino nurse (I have nothing against that) but as I stated before on this board it is not helping these two countries.
    These nurses are not just afraid of deportation you know. Hell, you think if a foreign nurse can get $19 an hour (just a figure) in another counrty against $8 or nothing in their own country that is probably worst off they are going to speak against hospital conditions? I have seen it over and over even as a student.
    And if Filipino nurses do join the ranks you are very welcome. It's just that in the real world the majority don't.
    It's not about the Filipino nurse only it's about nursing profession as a whole entity. Which other profession do you see workers being sent over in the US as massive amounts? Factory workers even picket against the poor Mexican immigrants.

    Please re-read every single post here as most valuable points have been made.
    And one last thing if we are going to play the "America was built on immigrants back" please let's start with the beginning of time. Stolen from Indians, "400" years of slavery and must I continue???
    I am not going to go into a battle regarding this subject as most points and clear one have been made already.
    To me this is a discussion not a battle zone and I welcome your opinion and your ideas because at the end of the day we are both nurses :kiss
  3. by   afhroends
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    I do not want to be replaced by "widget nurses" from third world countries.

    This is a very offensive, unprofessional and insensitive remark. I am sure, you would not want to be thought of or labeled as anything or anyone less than what you perceive yourself to be.

    And for all of you, non-Filipinos, please, my beloved country, the Philippines, officially named Republic of the Philippines, should be called as it is, not PI. Nor should Filipinos be spelled as Phillipinos or the like. It really wouldn't hurt to educate ourselves sometimes.
  4. by   lossforimagination
    I fail to see why you would take offense to the term "PI". I"ve heard many Filipinos refer to their country as "PI", as in short for the Philippine Islands. Why do you chose such a reaction?


    Quote from afhroends
    This is a very offensive, unprofessional and insensitive remark. I am sure, you would not want to be thought of or labeled as anything or anyone less than what you perceive yourself to be.

    And for all of you, non-Filipinos, please, my beloved country, the Philippines, officially named Republic of the Philippines, should be called as it is, not PI. Nor should Filipinos be spelled as Phillipinos or the like. It really wouldn't hurt to educate ourselves sometimes.
  5. by   afhroends
    Quote from spacenurse
    Some of my nursing colleagues born and educated in the Philippines are the most assertive patient advocates of all.
    Some are wimps.
    Often former wimps no matter where they attended nursing school have learned to advocate for our patients and our profession.


    There will always be exceptional nursing advocates as well as wimps and idiots in every nationality or culture.
  6. by   Rep
    Quote from lossforimagination
    I fail to see why you would take offense to the term "PI". I"ve heard many Filipinos refer to their country as "PI", as in short for the Philippine Islands. Why do you chose such a reaction?
    Back then when Philippines was still a colony of the USA. The Americans refer the colony as the Philippine Islands because our country is made up of 7,000 islands. So, the term sticks until this time and Filipinos in the US still uses the term. But the corrrect way is to say the Philippines referring it as an independent nation and no longer under America. Philippines could have been the 53rd state but the federalism movement was not very active.
  7. by   Rep
    Quote from nursing 101
    Again all you are saying "might" be true... But as I stated before not in my neck of the woods.
    I will re-state again people/nurse can apply after they get here for an alien card. It is not issued by every foreign nurse agency some only give the visas. So I am going to agree to disagree with you regarding this. As we know there are so many agencies out there trying to get nurses in this country by any means.
    And as you know as well nothing takes exactly 6 months in this country. So by the time they actually get their alien card it might be up to 2 years. Between that time they won't speak up against hospital conditions.
    I know you are defending your rights as a Filipino nurse (I have nothing against that) but as I stated before on this board it is not helping these two countries.
    These nurses are not just afraid of deportation you know. Hell, you think if a foreign nurse can get $19 an hour (just a figure) in another counrty against $8 or nothing in their own country that is probably worst off they are going to speak against hospital conditions? I have seen it over and over even as a student.
    And if Filipino nurses do join the ranks you are very welcome. It's just that in the real world the majority don't.
    It's not about the Filipino nurse only it's about nursing profession as a whole entity. Which other profession do you see workers being sent over in the US as massive amounts? Factory workers even picket against the poor Mexican immigrants.

    Please re-read every single post here as most valuable points have been made.
    And one last thing if we are going to play the "America was built on immigrants back" please let's start with the beginning of time. Stolen from Indians, "400" years of slavery and must I continue???
    I am not going to go into a battle regarding this subject as most points and clear one have been made already.
    To me this is a discussion not a battle zone and I welcome your opinion and your ideas because at the end of the day we are both nurses :kiss

    Regarding the "Alien Registration Card," in the DS-230 forms where we fill up before we submit it to the National Visa Center. There is a question there that states similar to this, " Place or address where to mail the Alien Registration Card." So, you see we do not need to apply for it since this card is given once an immigrant enters the USA. Since it will ge given after 6 months, the immigrant's passport is stamped with a temporary " alien registration card" to identify him as a legal resident of the US.

    I am very much familiar with issues affecting American nursing and I agree with some of your views.

    Also, I am very much familiar with US history since I grew up on piles of books donated by American soldiers to my father when he was a school principal then in 1972 in the hinterlands of Mindanao.

    And I totally agree that this is a sharing of ideas because at the end of the day we are both NURSES!!!
  8. by   Rep
    Quote from elnski
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    You're alrght there.. M issuing the usage of Philippinos and Philippinas...:uhoh21:

    No offense, mates!!

    I can't send pm to you. Please erase some of your messages in your pm inbox so that you can receive messages again.

    By the way, "kuntigo" means " to you."
  9. by   sunnyjohn
    Quote from nursing 101
    ...Another thing if the poor Philippines (not trying to demean them) can create more nursing schools and meet and surpass our standards here in the US. Why can't we? Why can't we have nursing instructors and more schools? This means that soemthing is wrong here in the US that needs fixing.
    ...

    Because there is no incentive for hospital corporations to do so. Nursing instructors are teachers and as such they make an American teachers wage.

    The almighty dollar, whether it be an American dollar or Philippine dollar moves us all.
  10. by   sunnyjohn
    Quote from nursing 101
    Excuse me but a "visa" doesn't give you the same rights as a US citizen except to vote. An alien registered card does. Maybe that is what you are referring to.
    Most Philippine nurses have visas not alien registered card when they initially enter the country. Not that they can't apply for them. They can but when they enter the country all they have is the right to work (nothing is wrong with that). I am just stating the facts.
    I am not going to say that all Philippina nurses have a fear of deportation but the majority do... At least in my neck of the woods they do!

    The permenant VISA obtained by nurses is followed by an ALIEN REGISTRATION CARD. The card comes a few months after the nurse arrives in the US.

    Some Filipinos are afraid of deportation because they are not well informed of their rights as legal immigrants.
    Last edit by sunnyjohn on Oct 10, '05

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