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No. 40
from Agrippa
Old May 21, 2009, 05:38 PM

Default Re: Talk of insurance mandate growing
Originally Posted by DrugReptoNurse View Post
I do not trust the government to run health care for the entire population of the United States. For better or worse, healthcare has always been and always will be a business.

Two examples of a businesses that the government runs shows what can happen to healthcare if the government takes over with a single payer system:

The US Post Office and your local DMV

Need I say more? Do you want your healthcare run like these two examples?? I for one do not.

I'll buy my own insurance and take care of myself and my family. I don't need the village to do it for me even with my prexisting conditions. As a responsible adult, you shouldn't either.
I don't want a cubicle monkey in a private insurance company deciding whether I get a procedure or not based upon how it will affect the next quarterly earnings.

I don't know about you, but my post office works great. I can get a letter from LA to San Diego in less than 2 days for less than .50 cents. My MVA is fine if I don't go on weekends. Kind of like my doctor's office.
My roads work fine. So does my water.

I think we can agree that comparing the USPS and the MVA is hardly a reason not to change our healthcare system.

And yes, for worse, healthcare has always been about business in this country.
But hats the great thing about Democracy. It doesn't have to be - we can change things and adapt to new (or old) challenges. If we stuck to a policy just because "its how its always been done," well, we'd probably still be living in caves.
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No. 41
Old May 21, 2009, 05:41 PM

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Hmmm...my child went to the hospital with an asthma attack. BCBS covered the emergency room visit and his one day in the PICU at 80% after I met my deductible. Cost about $4000 including my deductible but it sure as hell didn't bankrupt me.

I live a modest life, drive a ten year old car, live without all the little luxuries many people consider essentials. I make a BUDGET and plan for the UNEXPECTED. I am fine. I am sure with some planning you could be too.

BTW, I understand your comments regarding insurance but believe you have been misled. Prior to nursing and the pharmaceutical industry where I worked, I was a product manager at PacificCare....a very large HMO. I understand insurance and the finances behind it. I still and will always think single payer is the absolute worse course of action Obama could do.....well....besides bringing all the terrorists home to our soil from Gitmo
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No. 42
Old May 21, 2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DrugReptoNurse View Post
Hmmm...my child went to the hospital with an asthma attack. BCBS covered the emergency room visit and his one day in the PICU at 80% after I met my deductible. Cost about $4000 including my deductible but it sure as hell didn't bankrupt me.

I live a modest life, drive a ten year old car, live without all the little luxuries many people consider essentials. I make a BUDGET and plan for the UNEXPECTED. I am fine. I am sure with some planning you could be too.

BTW, I understand your comments regarding insurance but believe you have been misled. Prior to nursing and the pharmaceutical industry where I worked, I was a product manager at PacificCare....a very large HMO. I understand insurance and the finances behind it. I still and will always think single payer is the absolute worse course of action Obama could do.....well....besides bringing all the terrorists home to our soil from Gitmo
I'm sincerely glad your child's asthma attack didn't bankrupt you. Another illness easily could. Let's hope it doesn't.

The rest of your post above - denial and cognitive dissonance.
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No. 43
Old May 21, 2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
I don't want a cubicle monkey in a private insurance company deciding whether I get a procedure or not based upon how it will affect the next quarterly earnings.

I don't know about you, but my post office works great. I can get a letter from LA to San Diego in less than 2 days for less than .50 cents. My MVA is fine if I don't go on weekends. Kind of like my doctor's office.
My roads work fine. So does my water.

I think we can agree that comparing the USPS and the MVA is hardly a reason not to change our healthcare system.

And yes, for worse, healthcare has always been about business in this country.
But hats the great thing about Democracy. It doesn't have to be - we can change things and adapt to new (or old) challenges. If we stuck to a policy just because "its how its always been done," well, we'd probably still be living in caves.
What you may or may not realize is that those people you are calling "cubicle monkeys" are very often....REGISTERED NURSES!!!

I know, i've worked with them. I think the name calling needs to cease at this point.
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No. 44
from awsmfun
Old May 21, 2009, 06:04 PM

Default Re: Talk of insurance mandate growing
Originally Posted by DrugReptoNurse View Post
I do not trust the government to run health care for the entire population of the United States. For better or worse, healthcare has always been and always will be a business.

Two examples of a businesses that the government runs shows what can happen to healthcare if the government takes over with a single payer system:

The US Post Office and your local DMV

Need I say more? Do you want your healthcare run like these two examples?? I for one do not.

I'll buy my own insurance and take care of myself and my family. I don't need the village to do it for me even with my prexisting conditions. As a responsible adult, you shouldn't either.
So are you going to refuse Medicare when you turn 65 yo? You can get an individual policy when you turn 65--just better have lots of $$$$$$. The government already runs the biggest healthcare company in the USA! And do you pay $1000 a mth for health insurance?

And the vast majority of people who are in charge of denying/approving claims are cubicle monkey's. Very, very few are RN's!
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No. 45
Old May 21, 2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by awsmom8 View Post
So are you going to refuse Medicare when you turn 65 yo? You can get an individual policy when you turn 65--just better have lots of $$$$$$. The government already runs the biggest healthcare company in the USA! And do you pay $1000 a mth for health insurance?
Good point. Many of the same people who attempt to discredit the idea of universal healthcare and any "government run program" are the same one's taking advantage of the system. I guess they honestly believe you can have your cake and eat it, too.
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No. 46
Old May 21, 2009, 06:12 PM

Default Re: Talk of insurance mandate growing
Originally Posted by DrugReptoNurse View Post
Two examples of a businesses that the government runs shows what can happen to healthcare if the government takes over with a single payer system:

The US Post Office and your local DMV

Need I say more? Do you want your healthcare run like these two examples?? I for one do not.

ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed. View this video at YouTube

I believe this video states it best about health insurance and the post office
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No. 47
Old May 21, 2009, 06:24 PM

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You might want to take an economics and finance class before you start talking up Medicare. Just in case you haven't heard....Medicare and Social Security are both facing insolvency within 10 years if not sooner. I don't plan on either being here when I retire in 25 years and neither should you.

Medicare is horribly ineffecient and full of fraud. I even believe shows like the liberal 60 minutes have showcased the amount of fraud in the system.

Private insurers are in the business to make sure fraud doesn't happen. They serve a purpose as middlemen. They do a good job in my opinion of eliminating waste. It serves their bottom line to eliminate fraud. The US government doesn't seem to care.

If you want a bureacrat determining what procedure you can get and what drugs you can have then by all means, go for a single payor system. I prefer to stick with professionals who understand nursing/medicine even if some of you prefer to call your brothers and sisters in arms "cubicle monkeys"
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No. 48
Old May 21, 2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FairyCari View Post
So, gee, there's a big decision for me: pay close to $5000 a year for insurance that does nothing, when I am a young, healthy woman who has no plans of having children, does not take any medications, and hasn't been to a doctor for anything other than a routine physical in over 5 years - OR - pay a $200 fine to the state. Guess which one I choose!

THIS same woman, ...years later..... will then go on to Bit%$ later about how expensive insurance is, especially after she SUDDENLY has a severe illness or major health issue.

I see a lot of people do this.." I am healthy, I do not need coverage." YES, you do. Buy it when you are healthy, and then IF anything happens you are covered.

I think that more people NEED to consider health insurance, and health costs, when deciding how many children to have..etc..

I would not have 3 kids if I could really only afford to insure ONE.. But that is ME, I tend to think logically.. I only buy and own what I can afford without debt.

Me too. My son was born in 2000. His individual policy was 52.52 a month from BCBS. Today, BCBS has done exactly what another poster has described. Each year, they write me a letter telling me the premiums are going up and asking me if I would prefer one of the less expensive policies with a higher deductible. This year, they put the premium up to over $200.00 a month for his PPO.

I guess you must be better at predicting things because I never anticipated the costs quadrupling on me over 9 years especially since he is healthy. I added a daughter to our family and the cost is almost $400 a month.

The letter I recieve each year tells me that "due to escalating costs of care we are forced to increase your premiums..."

This is nonsense. BCBS of Georgia is owned by Wellpoint, a company that routinely posts profits upwards of 3-4 billion dollars a year. When the middle man has an obligation to its shareholders, the costs of insurance will never reflect the costs of care or the the needs of the insured. Plain and simple.

Here is some nice math from a logical thinker:

The last job I had offered insurance to me but not my kids. When I added the medicare tax and my health insurance costs up, it totaled 23% of my paycheck. In Germany, the tax for universal healthcare is 17% and it would have covered me and my kids without the 5k worth of deductibles per person per year.

I am sorry but when you ask me if I want a health insurance company deciding what kind of care I get or the government deciding what kind of care I get, I have to answer that its cheaper and easier for me to be one of a mass of people who can VOTE to shape the healthcare policy in this country instead of an individual insured through a private company.
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No. 49
from awsmfun
Old May 21, 2009, 06:40 PM
Updated May 21, 2009 at 06:56 PM by awsmfun

Default Re: Talk of insurance mandate growing
Originally Posted by DrugReptoNurse View Post
You might want to take an economics and finance class before you start talking up Medicare. Just in case you haven't heard....Medicare and Social Security are both facing insolvency within 10 years if not sooner. I don't plan on either being here when I retire in 25 years and neither should you.
I sure hope you are not planning on moving to a country where there is universal healthcare. But I get it now....make alot of $$$$ in the USA, then move to a country that is cheaper to live in! Maybe by then they will change the social security plan to where you have to live in the USA to collect your $$$. You could move now, then you wouldn't have to worry about having to use a single payer system, and just pay your premiums to a private insurer. What country are you thinking of moving to?

So far I have not had a problem with the Post office. I think it depends on your mind set when you go in. They always treat me polite and fairly. As for the DMV, just remember before you go in to have all your documents and it's kinda like Disneyland--you are going to have to wait your turn!
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