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| Advertisement Sponsored Links | | | | No. 52 | 
Oct 15, 2009, 05:02 AM
 Re: Swine flu victim asked to leave ER dies next day Originally Posted by HonestRN  Are you serious?
Not an ED? Are you saying psychiatric emergency departments are not real ED's?!
And are you really saying that someone in the waiting room of an ED has not been triaged? Seems like the family attempted to get a nurse to look at her.
Patient triaged, designated level 2, one level up from immediate/urgent action. I would consider that serious.
Nurse did not follow reassessment protocol.
All I'm saying is it does happen.
yes, things like this happen, but #1 was waiting for a bed in psych, already seen...#2 was a known drug user, had already been seen more than once, and i repeat on #3 what else was going on in that ED, at that point in time.....are you going to try and tell me that you have NEVER made a med error, always been on time (on the dot) for all meds and treatments, and assessments? really? you want to go there?
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Oct 15, 2009, 07:39 AM
Re: Swine flu victim asked to leave ER dies next day Originally Posted by morte yes, things like this happen, but #1 was waiting for a bed in psych, already seen...#2 was a known drug user, had already been seen more than once, and i repeat on #3 what else was going on in that ED, at that point in time.....are you going to try and tell me that you have NEVER made a med error, always been on time (on the dot) for all meds and treatments, and assessments? really? you want to go there?
In my posts regarding this incident I have never remotely suggested that I have never made an error. I have made med errors, been late on assessments etc. Knowing that, I know that these things happen and it is unfortunate. I am not blaming anyone just simply responding to the statement "that this would never happen in an ED" when in fact it does happen. There are many reasons why these things happen; human error, inadequate staffing, poorly explained protocols to handle different/unusual situations etc. Whatever the reason these things DO happen.
BTW you are changing your argument regarding #1, first you said not an ED now say she had been seen/triaged and was waiting for a bed. Whatever, what followed was egregious. Patient was ignored and died. Staff falsified records to cover their a*$ess. From what posts of yours I have read I feel it safe to say that even you know and can admit that what happened there was waaay wrong.
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Oct 16, 2009, 12:35 AM
Re: Swine flu victim asked to leave ER dies next day
I would agree this guy may have been able to walk but was so sick he lay on the floor. However, whatever the cause HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASSESSED before being kicked out or whatever, period. Also, when did it become practice to allow security to decide who is seen and who isnt? Obviously, this man was very ill AEB he died!It is not like this situation has not occurred before. Remember about 2 yrs ago the poor lady laying in the ER floor and was kicked/hit by security b/c she wouldn't comply? and there she died right there. Emergency rooms have got to change their triage practices b/c of the mass amount of inflow they receive now days if they wish to avoid liability. There needs to be many changes made and wait times decreased.
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Oct 17, 2009, 03:47 AM
Re: Swine flu victim asked to leave ER dies next day
"We talked to Irving's brother on the phone. He says he and other family members are still mourning Irving's death and did not want to talk on camera, but he did tell us about the run-in Irving had with the security guard at the hospital and says his brother got so weary after waiting more than four hours for the result of an X-Ray and blood work that was taken in the ER that Irving just decided to leave the hospital"
OK, i'm confused. This sounds to me like he was seen and an evaluation was at least started if he had had an x-ray and blood drawn. Perhaps he was lying in the floor and the security guard asked him to get up? The security guard certainly should have called for a nurse to check him but if he was blocking an area people are waiting in and trying to walk in I can see why he was asked to move. From this it sounds like he got tired of waiting and left-he was obviously already pretty sick and then continued to deteriorate after leaving. Hard to tell from the info given.
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