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No. 20
Old Oct 12, 2009, 11:09 AM
Updated Oct 12, 2009 at 11:21 AM by CASTLEGATES

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Originally Posted by AirforceRN View Post
Emphasis added by me.

Pot/Kettle?
Hardly a valid point; demerol assumptions vs my experience with swine flu and surmising how he must have felt based on how I felt symptom and ability-wise leaves that black kettle empty unless the poster had personal experience drug seeking while having the flu; then I'd understand.

He's got a family who very well could be reading this. Defending drug accusations is hardly acceptable, especially in this situation; Give the family some dignity.

Here's one link. There are other sites with more info; just search the name.

It's tragic and it appears to be what it is and how it is written. The guy just laid down cause he couldn't breathe...my original point stands; it is what it is. I say "My Guess" and "He Likely...and my assumptions are far closer than some fantastic sensationalist story pulled out of one's sphincter. It's far more plausible the guy was tired after walking...far more likely than some national enquirer soap opera version of drug seeking specifically demerol.

My assumptions were based on my own course of the same swine flu; hardly far reaching and likely accurate.

http://www.kztv10.com/news2005/viewarticle.asp?a=9704
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No. 21
Old Oct 12, 2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nerdtonurse? View Post
From what I've heard from the 3 folks I know who've had it, this thing hits you like a ton of bricks -- you're fine when you get up, and 3 hours later you've got a 105 degree fever and too sick to move. Now do you think anyone in any ER who presents with a high fever isn't going to handled as a "potential H1N1" and not left to sit in the ER waiting room with no mask, no nothing? (We're triaging at the door -- you hit the door with a fever, you come back with a rapid flu, and if you're positive for "A" you get tamiflu (fluids if needed) and rapidly sent back home if you're stable.

What I'm thinking (and I don't know, wasn't there) is that this guy may have been one of the frequent "give me demerol / sober me up / feed me / let me yell, scream and act out on your dime" folks we get in our ER. He may have come in for that, and actually have gotten sick with H1N1 and died d/t that the next day. It really can hit that fast.
Or he might not have been what you describe and that guard was completely out of line and should be fired for causing this young man to die.
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No. 22
from Virgo_RN
Old Oct 12, 2009, 01:54 PM

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10/8/2009
Family members and shelter friends are mourning the loss of 58-year-old Irving Neil Range, a homeless man who died in the Emergency Room at Christus Spohn Memorial Medical Center on Thursday.
Officials say the swine flu caused him to die, but the circumstances surrounding his death have more than a few people asking questions and wondering if his death could have been prevented.
"As soon as I saw him, just looking at him, I knew he needed an ambulance by the way he looked. He was sweating, hunched over, and could barely talk," said Rafael Ortiz, the Labor Force Manager for the Good Samaritan Rescue Mission.
Shelter worker Rafael Ortiz was the last person, other than medical workers, who saw Irving Neil Range alive.
Shelter workers say he came back to the Rescue Mission after waiting for hours in the Emergency Room at Christus Spohn Hospital Friday evening.
"He said while he was waiting to be seen, he was sitting in the chair , having trouble breathing. He decided to lay down on the ground, and the only thing that would help him breathe well. He wasn't laying there long, when a security guard came and told him he had to move along and he said he didn't want to argue with the guy and he'd already been there so long, he just decided to come back here," said Mark Martin, the Front Desk Manager at the Mission.
We talked to Irving's brother on the phone. He says he and other family members are still mourning Irving's death and did not want to talk on camera, but he did tell us about the run-in Irving had with the security guard at the hospital and says his brother got so weary after waiting more than four hours for the result of an X-Ray and blood work that was taken in the ER that Irving just decided to leave the hospital.
"Everyone needs to be taken care of right now, but this man was obviously sick, very, very sick. I would have hoped that they would have put him on a bed in a hallway something like that, if they couldn't get him into a room," said Carole Murphrey, Director of Good Samaritan Rescue Mission.
Irving's brother says he ended up dying in the Christus Spohn Memorial Medical Center Emergency Room Friday morning after being taken by ambulance back to the hospital.
Although Irving Range did not have a permanent address, Rescue Mission workers say he had plenty of friends and has left behind a lasting impression on those who knew him.
"I've had a couple of people distraught and have had a couple people say is there something I can do to help? Can you pass condolences on to his family and it's not like lives weren't touched by his presence and passing as well," Martin said.


Couple of questions. What exactly is the timeline? This article is poorly written, so I can't tell.

Also, if he was so obviously sick when he got back to the shelter, why did the shelter workers wait until the next day to call the ambulance?
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No. 23
Old Oct 12, 2009, 01:55 PM
Updated Oct 12, 2009 at 02:00 PM by Vito Andolini

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Originally Posted by hiddencat View Post
I think we're all just trying to figure out how and why this happened. We did read the article, and being what it is, it seems like there's a lot missing. Speculating is not the same thing as accusing, and I don't think anyone is suggesting that this isn't a sad case regardless.
But one person wrote that he was possibly one of their demerol junkies. Even if he was, the guard was completely wrong. There is also no reason for that poster to assume that he was a lowlife. He was just a fellow human being and he's gone and the guard should not have put him out.
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No. 24
Old Oct 12, 2009, 02:23 PM
Updated Oct 12, 2009 at 02:32 PM by CASTLEGATES

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True...it's hard not to get my undies in a wad cause I've lost a relative and friends so I'm just happily reacting here...never take anything I say personally (for the record)!

I think the articles go out of line mentioning he lived in a shelter after getting a dui; he's just a patient and that's all there is to it...an equal by law.

Interestingly the shelter manager responded saying he was a benefit to others so it doesn't appear anything really was bad about his character other than my honest guess is he either had a bad case of etoh-ism or was self medicating an underlying psych illness (regardless one's character shouldn't get you killed)!

Regardless, the hospital said they kick people out for being belligerent (forgot the exact word); a policy that was only a matter of time they'd get sued (head injury, benzo withdrawals, meningitis, tardive dyskinesia, etc--preaching to the choir). Imagine ME with the pig flu! I'd think hospital policy should be (local one's here have) an emergency psych nurse to do a prelim eval then call the psych doc to rule out other illnesses v psych emergency then move on. So he kept hanging out on the floor. It's clear they wanted to clinic him rather than admit, which sucks! My guess is he had pneumonia (typical secondary to piggyflu that kills most). Hey! I'm assuming (I can recognize behavior most when I exhibit it often).

Yes, the guard should be re-circumcised without anesthesia.


Good work on the dates details; it's all confusing...reporter error? Difficult to tell. (I'm still for the guard and his scheduled surgery...anyone want to do the honors)?
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No. 25
from hiddencat
Old Oct 12, 2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vito Andolini View Post
But one person wrote that he was possibly one of their demerol junkies. Even if he was, the guard was completely wrong. There is also no reason for that poster to assume that he was a lowlife. He was just a fellow human being and he's gone and the guard should not have put him out.
They did. I guess I don't see what the problem with that is- the poster didn't claim to know and it was just another theory being discussed. I don't think the implication was that he didn't deserve medical attention.

Addiction is an illness, and are fellow human beings too. I didn't read that post as suggesting he was a lowlife.
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No. 26
Old Oct 12, 2009, 07:41 PM

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We can't really say that this would "never happen" in an ER. When I was 16 weeks pregnant with my youngest child I developed acute food poisoning from some food I'd eaten an hour prior, was dropped off at the ER by a not so sensitive (now ex) husband, and couldn't walk I was so ill. I did everything I could to get up and walk but the pain and the vomiting were just too severe, and I was told in not so pleasant terms by a state police officer who happened to be watching me that I was at the wrong entrance and that I needed to get up and walk.

Thank God for the nurse that found me. It does happen.
**I'm actually responding to one of the 1st posts I read on the 1st page. Sorry I didn't clarify. It looks as if I just randomly jumped in with a statement that has nothing to do w/the current discussion. lol my apologies.
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No. 27
from dscrn
Old Oct 12, 2009, 09:31 PM

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...and now I reply to the poster who earlier said "why did he just go to another hospital"...well, I;m guessing since he was homeless, he most likely didn't have a car, or means to get around. Maybe he felt like he'd rather than just die, instead of facing such treatment again...so sad.
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No. 28
from chulaRN2be
Old Oct 12, 2009, 10:00 PM

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I had a terrible acute kidney infection that rendered me completely unable to walk but I had to get from the car to waiting room to the ER , it is very possible to be at that point of physical exhaustion and pain but able to walk just a short distance.
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No. 29
from qhjumper
Old Oct 12, 2009, 11:17 PM

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Do you guys remember about last year when the lady was in the ER, can't remember where, but has a history of psych problems. She came to the ER and laid on the floor because she was so sick and was left there for hours and died.
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