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No. 10
Old Oct 11, 2009, 06:00 PM

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I live in Corpus Christi. I havent even heard of this yet! I have been out of town all weekend, but I dont see how something like this would happen at any of the hospitals there. Also, at Spohn, they are triaging outside in makeshift tents for anyone that has flu symptoms. Last I heard they are averaging 300+ a night. It is really crazy here right now esp after the 12 year old died last week.
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No. 11
Old Oct 11, 2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by herring_RN View Post
CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas —
The mother of a man who died of a swine flu-related illness said her son was asked to leave a Texas hospital a day before his death because he was lying on the floor, too ill sit in a chair.

Irving Neil Range, 58, of Corpus Christi died in the emergency room of Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial on Friday of a swine-flu related illness, confirmed Annette Rodriguez, interim director of Corpus Christi-Nueces County Public Health District.

Opal Range told the Corpus Christi Caller-Times that her son went to the emergency room Oct. 1, but laid on the floor because he felt too sick to sit a chair while waiting to see a doctor.

She said a security guard asked him to leave so he went home. Her son returned to the emergency room the next day and died....

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6658531.html
I hope they fire that security guard. Was no nurse or doctor involved in this decision to throw the patient out?
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No. 12
Old Oct 11, 2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kessadawn View Post
I'm a little confused. According to the article (if that is even an accurate account) the man lay on the ER floor because he was too ill to sit up in a chair. So security told him to leave, and he wasn't too sick to get up and go home? I don't think we're getting the whole story here.
I thought of that also but figured he found the oomph to leave rather than get arrested.
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No. 13
Old Oct 11, 2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MassED View Post
there must be more to the story. That would never occur in any ER I know of - first, security would have to bring it to the attention of a medical person - usually triage nurse or team leader, or charge RN. They would assess the person, particularly if a person was lying on the ground. I have never seen security make a decision regarding patient care by having a person leave, especially since they checked in to be seen. Nope, wouldn't happen. Unless this security person acted of their own accord. In which case, good luck security guy/gal.

And on a side note, it's so irritating to read in the media about healthcare related (and many other types of stories) stories that have more to the story. It's like stories are written with a little information, or completely inaccurate, just to get a juicy story out there - it's so irresponsible.
It is intentional - the incomplete method of reporting, I mean. Check out ""Forbidden Secrets" pp. 84-88, by Gregory Thompson. Pass the Salt publishing Hebron, OH 43025, I think, is the publisher. Other eye openers are "The Dumbing Down of America" by Charlotte Iserbyt and "What We've Lost" by Graydon Carter. Farrar, Straus, and Giroux Publishers, I think.
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No. 14
from Bamaeyes
Old Oct 11, 2009, 10:01 PM

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This is still a very sad situation. The outcome should have been different here.
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No. 15
Old Oct 11, 2009, 10:34 PM

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From what I've heard from the 3 folks I know who've had it, this thing hits you like a ton of bricks -- you're fine when you get up, and 3 hours later you've got a 105 degree fever and too sick to move. Now do you think anyone in any ER who presents with a high fever isn't going to handled as a "potential H1N1" and not left to sit in the ER waiting room with no mask, no nothing? (We're triaging at the door -- you hit the door with a fever, you come back with a rapid flu, and if you're positive for "A" you get tamiflu (fluids if needed) and rapidly sent back home if you're stable.

What I'm thinking (and I don't know, wasn't there) is that this guy may have been one of the frequent "give me demerol / sober me up / feed me / let me yell, scream and act out on your dime" folks we get in our ER. He may have come in for that, and actually have gotten sick with H1N1 and died d/t that the next day. It really can hit that fast.
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No. 16
Old Oct 11, 2009, 11:51 PM
Updated Oct 12, 2009 at 12:06 AM by CASTLEGATES

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Originally Posted by Vito Andolini View Post
I thought of that also but figured he found the oomph to leave rather than get arrested.
I had the swine flu; it makes sense. How many critical of the article had it, as well?

It's easy to figure things out if you're not in the situation but you feel like hell, get the fidgets and move a little. Certainly you can drive or do something for limited periods of time but sit in a chair for 13 hours (the typical wait time here is about 9-11 hours) and of course he'd get tired and want to lay down.

For me, I'd walk a couple hundred yards, feel OK and pay like hell later. Once up you just don't know how bad your body is going to punish you once you get back down and THAT's when you feel like you're going to die; after moving. My guess is his final walk from his car was enough. He likely collapsed at home after walking from his car leaving, as well.

Rather than scrutinizing, read the article. It is what it is. Regardless of why, he laid down and he was asked to leave before being assessed.

Accusing the guy of being a demerol junkie is just plain reckless and sad to his memory. This is the biggest issue with forums; assumptions. A demerol seeker? Where does it say that? Nowhere in the article did it accuse him of drug seeking.

He was one day from death and if you know anything about the flu and how long it takes....one day exposure won't kill you tomorrow. It took me a couple weeks to really get down and out with it and stop eating.

Remember there's a family mourning. ASSuming all this other rubbish is uncalled for.

Turns out Mr. Range was homeless. If you've worked for homeless shelters, you typically can't be drinking and stay there. They stated he had the ability to make others smile, ....... He was brought by ambulance.

They did all the tests and he was waiting and so sick he laid down. The director of the shelter blogged on his case. It seems like the article explains just the facts, no more, no less. He was ill, laid down too much, asked to leave.

Where he came from and any previous crimes and mention thereof are just plain discrimination.
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No. 17
Old Oct 12, 2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CASTLEGATES View Post
Turns out Mr. Range was homeless. If you've worked for homeless shelters, you typically can't be drinking and stay there. They stated he had the ability to make others smile, ....... He was brought by ambulance.

They did all the tests and he was waiting and so sick he laid down. The director of the shelter blogged on his case. It seems like the article explains just the facts, no more, no less. He was ill, laid down too much, asked to leave.

Where he came from and any previous crimes and mention thereof are just plain discrimination.
Would you mind posting a link to what the director of the shelter blogged? This is a very sad case.
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No. 18
from hiddencat
Old Oct 12, 2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CASTLEGATES View Post
Rather than scrutinizing, read the article. It is what it is. Regardless of why, he laid down and he was asked to leave before being assessed.

Accusing the guy of being a demerol junkie is just plain reckless and sad to his memory. This is the biggest issue with forums; assumptions. A demerol seeker? Where does it say that? Nowhere in the article did it accuse him of drug seeking.
I think we're all just trying to figure out how and why this happened. We did read the article, and being what it is, it seems like there's a lot missing. Speculating is not the same thing as accusing, and I don't think anyone is suggesting that this isn't a sad case regardless.
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No. 19
from AirforceRN
Old Oct 12, 2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CASTLEGATES View Post
For me, I'd walk a couple hundred yards, feel OK and pay like hell later. Once up you just don't know how bad your body is going to punish you once you get back down and THAT's when you feel like you're going to die; after moving. My guess is his final walk from his car was enough. He likely collapsed at home after walking from his car leaving, as well.

Rather than scrutinizing, read the article. It is what it is. Regardless of why, he laid down and he was asked to leave before being assessed.

Accusing the guy of being a demerol junkie is just plain reckless and sad to his memory. This is the biggest issue with forums; assumptions. A demerol seeker? Where does it say that? Nowhere in the article did it accuse him of drug seeking.
Emphasis added by me.

Pot/Kettle?
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