Sutter Health/California Pacific with hiring ban on Filipino nurses

  1. Shame on them!
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  3. by   cherryames1949
    As with many problems in health care money is the issue. Bravo to the nurses who stood up to administration for cutting services. Standing up for your personal rights or patient rights come at a price. I applaud these nurses for doing the right thing in spite of retaliation.
  4. by   oramar
    As much as I understand how racist saying, "don't hire Filipino nurses" happens to be. I wonder what would be wrong with just concentrating on hiring USA trained nurses. I don't think for a minute that what was said was mean that way but I am uncomfortable with putting other CEOs who might want to hire people in their own country that are looking for jobs on the hot seat. It is two totally different things.
  5. by   elkpark
    Go ahead and flame me if you like, but I have no problem at all with any US hospital or healthcare employer choosing not to hire foreign nurses (if it's a matter of a blanket policy about foreign nurses, not singling out a particular ethnic/national group). In fact, I applaud the policy. With as many unemployed US-citizen nurses as there are looking for work these days, I can't see any justification for hiring nurses from other countries.

    Particularly in reference to nurses from the PI, non-citizens aren't even eligible for nursing licensure in the PI -- that privilege is restricted only to PI citizens as a matter of national policy -- so I don't really see how they are in a position to complain about not being welcomed warmly enough in other countries. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, as the saying goes.
  6. by   HeartsOpenWide
    Unless they are discriminating against Filipino nurses that are American citizens then I see no problem with giving jobs to U.S. citizens first. It is my understanding that Filipino nurses were previously being hired in mass quantities because of the previous nursing shortage. Now that there is no more nursing shortage and there are so many US nurses unemployed; we need to take care of our own first. I have three friends that are Filipino nurses, and I have no problem with them being nurses; but they are also US citizens.
  7. by   cherryames1949
    The opportunities for Filipino nurses have been limited to the least desirable hospitals. This means the poorest patients and the worst neighborhoods. This article appeared to me to be about retaliation for speaking out and not about Filipino nurses per se. They are being replaced to send a message. I for one am glad that they are not giving in to intimidation. Do we think that this would not happen to "American" nurses if they did the same thing?
  8. by   RN_stucky621
    The hospitals aren't discriminating against US-graduated Filipino nurses..they are referring to foreign graduate nurses (including those graduate from the Philippines). The CNA is taking this waaaaay out of context and i don't know how

    "do not hire foreign graduate nurses"

    can only be construed as "an unambiguous reference to Filipinos." (according to the article).

    As the other other posters have stated this hospital is looking to hire US-graduated nurses first and not ones who graduated from another foreign country
  9. by   herring_RN
    i work with many nurses from the philippines. they were recruited in the 1970's and '80's. all are now. united states citizens. many of their fathers and grandfathers fought with us forces in wwii.
    two aricles:
    [color=#333333][color=#333333] the press conference, cna provided testimony by former nursing supervisors at cpmc and nurses who have faced the discriminatory practices - and hiring data documenting the results.

    [color=#333333]cpmc's vp of nursing: "you are not to hire any filipinos"

    [color=#333333]chris hanks, a former director of critical care services at cpmc, said in a declaration that karner, told him on a number of occasions, "you are not to hire any filipinos."

    [color=#333333]another former nurse supervisor ronald villanueva said in a declaration that he also heard karner tell another supervisor, "do not hire foreign graduate nurses" - an unambiguous reference to filipinos....

    ...[color=#333333] st. luke's and cpmc rns, many of them filipino, have been outspoken in defense of their patients, and in opposition to sutter and cpmc's plans to reduce services to the largely lower income, minority community depending on st. luke's from soma to the excelsior," said cna co-president zenei cortez, rn.

    [color=#333333]"rather than respond to the concerns of the community, cpmc and sutter have chosen instead to retaliate by carrying out a punitive, illegal, and immoral campaign of discrimination," said cortez....
    [color=#333333]...three former managers at california pacific medical center say supervisors told them not to hire filipino nurses between 2007 and 2009....

    ... hospital chief warren browner says the allegations are dishonest and without merit....

  10. by   Jane_Diagnosis
    "At the press conference, CNA provided testimony by former nursing supervisors at CPMC and nurses who have faced the discriminatory practices - and hiring data documenting the results.
    CPMC's VP of Nursing: "You are not to hire any Filipinos"
    Chris Hanks, a former director of Critical Care Services at CPMC, said in a declaration that Karner, told him on a number of occasions, "you are not to hire any Filipinos."
    Another former nurse supervisor Ronald Villanueva said in a declaration that he also heard Karner tell another supervisor, "do not hire foreign graduate nurses" - an unambiguous reference to Filipinos."

    I truly believe they are discriminating towards Filipino nurses in general, whether they are foreign, immigrant, or U.S. citizen. Yes, I agree that they should hire U.S. graduate nurses first. But using the word, "any," simply means "all." No exemption.
    Many of my classmates back in RN school were Filipinos here in the U.S. They are very smart and hardworker. We all graduated the same time and not a single Filipino failed or dropped out from the program. We lost about 40% of our class by the time we graduated. This is public college i'm talking about. Anyone who went and graduated nursing in a public college knows how its like.
    The reason why I mentioned this is because they shouldn't be discriminated just because they checked, "Filipino race" in the application form. There shouldn't be no place for discrimination in any workplace. And I hope whoever is responsible gets what he deserves....being FIRED & NEVER WORK AGAIN EVER.
  11. by   cherryames1949
    Bravo Jane_Diagnosis and Herring_RN I couldn't agree with you more. Unless I am not reading the article correctly, this is a case of blatant discrimination and retaliation. Whenever this happens to one of our colleagues it can happen to us. What would Florence say?
  12. by   elkpark
    Quote from cherryames1949
    What would Florence say?
    Well, since she was v. much a product of her place and time (the upper classes of Victorian England, a society well-known for its racist and classist views), I doubt she would mind much at all. I'm sure she would wonder what the fuss was about. She was extremely particular ("discriminatory," if you like) about who she accepted into her nursing staff or nursing school.
  13. by   herring_RN
    From the Civil Rights Act of 1964
    Sec. 2000e-2. Unlawful employment practices (a) Employer practices

    It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer -
    (1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or
    (2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - CRA - Title VII - Equal Employment Opportunities - 42 US Code Chapter 21 | find US law
  14. by   cherryames1949
    I agree elkpark that Ms. Nightingale was a product of her time. She was trying to reform nursing,in England,that until then was populated by drunks and women of ill repute. She was very particular about who she took on to train because she was trying to elevate nursing to a respectable profession for women. Doctors and administrators at the time were waiting for her to fail. She set standards and implemented improvements under great duress. I think that we are talking apples and oranges here. Hopefully we have progressed since the 19th century. I think we are better than this.