Sutter Health/California Pacific with hiring ban on Filipino nurses - page 2
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Aug 22, '10Quote from cherryames1949I agree -- but you were the one who brought Flo into the discussion, and asked what she would say ...Hopefully we have progressed since the 19th century. I think we are better than this.
Aug 23, '10Shouldn't hiring be done on who is the best candidate for the job? Not on where they were trained or born but on their skills as a nurse?
Aug 24, '10I would have understood the anti-foreigners if they meant Filipino as a citizenship. I understand the need to help your countrymen. But if it meant Filipino as a race then >:-(
Aug 24, '10From what I read, the article says MIGRANT workers. That term is not used to denote citizens.
Next, The Civil Rights Act of 1964 applies to citizens and permanent residents (green card) ONLY.
The importation of Filipino nurses was allowed by the government to supplement nursing in the US because hospitals complained that there was a nursing shortage in this country.
With unemployment at 11 - 12% in CA (and 11% here in FL) and NG desperately seeking opportunities to work...there is absolutely no reason to hire Foreign nurses Filipino or otherwise. That is NOT discrimination.
Aug 24, '10Quote from flmomof5do you have a source (name of publication and/or link) the the article referred to?from what i read, the article says migrant workers. that term is not used to denote citizens.
next, the civil rights act of 1964 applies to citizens and permanent residents (green card) only.
the importation of filipino nurses was allowed by the government to supplement nursing in the us because hospitals complained that there was a nursing shortage in this country.
with unemployment at 11 - 12% in ca (and 11% here in fl) and ng desperately seeking opportunities to work...there is absolutely no reason to hire foreign nurses filipino or otherwise. that is not discrimination.
i can't find any reference to "migrant nurses". in california a green card or proof of us citizenship is required for a license.
[color=#333333][color=#333333][color=#333333][color=#333333]...at the press conference, cna provided testimony by former nursing supervisors at cpmc and nurses who have faced the discriminatory practices - and hiring data documenting the results.
[color=#333333]cpmc's vp of nursing: "you are not to hire any filipinos"
[color=#333333]chris hanks, a former director of critical care services at cpmc, said in a declaration that karner, told him on a number of occasions, "you are not to hire any filipinos."
[color=#333333]another former nurse supervisor ronald villanueva said in a declaration that he also heard karner tell another supervisor, "do not hire foreign graduate nurses" - an unambiguous reference to filipinos....
...[color=#333333] st. luke's and cpmc rns, many of them filipino, have been outspoken in defense of their patients, and in opposition to sutter and cpmc's plans to reduce services to the largely lower income, minority community depending on st. luke's from soma to the excelsior," said cna co-president zenei cortez, rn.
[color=#333333]"rather than respond to the concerns of the community, cpmc and sutter have chosen instead to retaliate by carrying out a punitive, illegal, and immoral campaign of discrimination," said cortez....
Aug 25, '10it is from the op link.
another former nurse supervisor ronald villanueva said in a declaration that he also heard karner tell another supervisor, “do not hire foreign graduate nurses” – an unambiguous reference to filipinos.
this is an assumption.
the hiring data bears that out. a review by cna of active employee lists provided by cpmc demonstrates that in early 2008 there was a major demographic shift among the nurses being hired at st luke’s. before february 2008, 65% of st luke’s rns were filipino. after february 2008, only 10% of rns hired were filipino.
ok, but were native born, rn licensed citizens given priority? statistics can be aligned to make any point!
“st. luke’s and cpmc rns, many of them filipino, have been outspoken in defense of their patients, and in opposition to sutter and cpmc’s plans to reduce services to the largely lower income, minority community depending on st. luke’s from soma to the excelsior,” said cna co-president zenei cortez, rn.
so...prove this had anything to do with it. it is like what is going on in the rest of the country...when you can win with facts, pull out the race card. the country is so sick of this that it is now becoming a liability to take this tact.
“our community needs access to healthcare and good jobs. sutter/cpmc’s discrimination against filipino nurses is another blatant example of the abuse that filipino migrant workers face in the united states,” said terry valen, on behalf of the filipino community center and the national alliance for filipino concerns.
“sutter and cpmc must be held accountable for providing immigrants and communities of color in san francisco access to permanent jobs and the healthcare we need in our community, not deliberate racial discrimination and medical redlining,” valen added.
ok...are we talking legal immigrants? it does not specify that.
“the first line of defense from discrimination is a strong union. sutter’s discriminatory practices against filipino nurses is as much about denying job opportunities as it is about punishing unionized filipina nurses at st. luke’s who stood up to sutter’s plans to cut services to our community,” said lillian galedo of filipino advocates for justice.
that is the issue, imho. it is all about power to a union and using the "minority" and race card to get it.
does sutter really believe that st. luke's has unlimited funds to provide free medical care? they would only "cut services" that aren't direct pay. when you emmigrate to this country, you must agree to pay your way and not become a burden on society.
what folks need to do is gather all the facts. what was really behind all this before the race card was played?
as i said....this is mho.Last edit by FLmomof5 on Aug 25, '10
Aug 25, '10thank you. i missed that.
all nurses are required to submit a valid social security number before their application for licensure in california can be processed.
...disclosure of your social security number is mandatory. section 30 of the business and professions
code and public law 94-455 (42 usca 405 (c)(2)(c)) authorize collection of your social security number.
your social security number will be used exclusively for tax enforcement purposes, for purposes of
compliance with any judgment or order for family support in accordance with section 11350.6 of the
welfare and institutions code, or for verification of licensure or examination status by a licensing or
examination entity which utilizes a national examination where licensure is reciprocal with the requesting
state. if you fail to list your social security number, your application for initial or renewal license
will not be processed....
application for licensure by examination.
i work with rns who graduated from bsn programs in the philippines who have been voting united states citizens for 15, 20 and more than 30 years.
possibly the reference to migrant workers was regarding this:
i don't think the hospital administration i racist against filipino nurses. previously they recruited filipino nurses.
but the testimony of the former director of critical care clearly states that there was a directive not to hire filipino nurses.
whether the reason was retaliation for a group trying to keep the hospital in the community, racisim, or some other reason it is not ok. it is a violation of the law.
their fathers or grandfathers served with united states military in world war ii.
Aug 25, '10I work at CPMC and have almost daily interactions with Diana Karner. And let me tell you, the woman is not nice. She has her hands in everything and everybody is afraid of her. It was about time that some - former - staff spoke out - Kudos to them. Of course, all the others who sat in the meetings where she instructed on the hiring ban won't say a work until subpoenaed, again because of fear of loosing their jobs, such as the director of Med/Surg, HR/Recruiting Director, etc. they all were in those meetings.
CPMC lacks the leadership a place like that needs. Karner definitely is more interested in keeping her reputation clean, and getting her annual bonus - just ask the NP group, who are being slapped around by her daily. She doesn't care. If CPMC has the leadership they claim they do, they would go ahead and suspend Karner, pending an independent investigation into this matter. Browner stating is it "without merit..." doesn't help at all...just ask any politician who got into trouble and used the exact same defense statement. Three plus employees do not lie and I doubt the CNA would get into it, had they not researched the issue prior to a press release.
And then there is....the issue of Gavin Newsom's wife...Our Sf mayor's wife gave birth at CPMC's California campus and nursing schedules were changed, so only white nurses would be assigned to her...coincidence??? You tell me!
Aug 25, '10Please refer to the press release. Karner stated: "You are not to hire Filipino nurses, they are all related to each other..." If that's not discriminatory by and itself?!?
Aug 27, '10http://globalnation.inquirer.net/new...rsing-boardPRC
37,000 out of 91,008 ????? Doesn't seem like discrimination to me.
Sep 2, '10something i haven't seen mentioned is the recent scandal about the incredible number of unlicensed nursingthat cropped up in the phillipines and the fact that the nle was "leaked" to a large number of students. as a result, it became difficult to figure out whether someone had even graduated from an accredited school, and if they did, did they really pass the nle or were they given advance knowledge of the questions?
and...the pass rate for the nle has fallen well below 50%..which calls into question the recent (past 6-7 years)quality of the nursing education being provided. ([color=#477fa5]37, 679 out of 91,008 passed the july 2010 sitting.)
i have no idea whether this was involved in the decisions being made by sutter or cpmc. i have no knowledge of this woman or this particular situation. but i do think that unless someone in the phillipines goes to great lengths to tackle this problem with the legitimacy of the education system over there, that future nurses from the phillipines might have a really difficult time getting hired over here in any hospital.
the ss# being required for the nclex is something that i think was instituted just in recent months, so i don't think that it had anything to do with the issue at hand.
i now work with many fillipine nurses. some excellent, some not so much. just like the rest of us.
no-one should be discriminated against.