Surgeon snaps pic of pt's tattooed genitals in OR..shows it to other doctors - page 6

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  1. by   marikat534
    The person who reported to the media if found out should be fired, IMO. It seems most this information was probably leaked to the media by them.
  2. by   Altra
    Quote from rph3664
    He could always do abortions or work in an inner city ER. I understand those places will take just about anyone.

    (rph3664 puts on a flameproof suit)
    Hey rph -- I hope that flameproof suit protects you from a horrific MVA, fall, act of violence, burn, chemical exposure or other random act of God because you know you'll likely end up in an "inner city ER" AKA trauma center where we deal with those kinds of traumas right alongside whatever you find to be unpleasant about an urban ER.

    You're welcome to come spend a shift with us.
  3. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from TiredMD
    The surgeon in question was actually a Chief Resident and will likely be fired, unable to complete the last several months of his surgical training, and it is unlikely that any other program would be willing to take him after this incident. It is probably about 90% likely that the last 5 years of surgical training, 4 years of medical school, and 4 years of undergraduate education were all for nothing, and his career is effectively done. If he is like most people who go through medical education, he is carrying somewhere around $200,000 in loans which he will have to pay off without the benefit of being a practicing surgeon.

    I am still up in the air about whether this is a fair punishment.
    .

    Well, maybe they should stress to Drs in training in Med school that any stupid screw up like using your camera phone on pt's genitals might get you kicked out or hinder your future as a physican.

    My director of nursing did a great job of listing all the things that I could do that would ruin my career. I am 100% aware that I can't do the same, and keep my job.

    Half of me feels bad about anyone losing their career with all that debt.

    The other half of me thinks of how stupid this Dr was to risk all of that on a silly cell phone pic.

    Maybe next time, he'll think ahead about his choices.


    But, this was his choice to do this, and so now he gets to pay the consequences-whatever they might be.
  4. by   CHATSDALE
    i don't want to be on the jury that has to make a visual comparison of photo to body part
  5. by   Weeping Willow
    Quote from imenid37
    The pt. could be Adolph Hitler or the Pope, it still doesn't excuse the dr. who is supposed to be a professional and not exploit an unconscious pt. in this way. Some dr.'s are so arrogant, they think they can do whatever they please. I agree, pt. may well have been a very undesirable person, but physician is still expected to act as a professional.
    Hitler and the Pope in the same comparison. Wow. I will assume you used them both because they are and well known.

    However, the one is famous and not a known sociopath, megalomaniac, dictator, and mass murderer. And the other is infamous and was all of those aforementioned.

    Also, I'm not sure this doctor was being arrogant. Maybe he was just being stupid and still relatively young. Maybe he was exhausted. Maybe he just had a momentary lapse of good judgment.
  6. by   Weeping Willow
    Quote from sleepyndopey
    I do not believe that all patients deserve respect. That said, I believe the surgeon was wrong for doing what he did.
    Which patients don't deserve respect and why not? Maybe you would define respect so we are all on the same page. Thanks.

    By the way, it has sometimes not been easy but I have worked with lots of different kinds of patients. Rich, poor, and in between, male and female, old and young, free and prisoner, American and those from numerous other countries and those of varying religions and political views. Yes, sometimes we do discuss such things, like now with the Presidential election always in the news and the war and the holidays just past.

    The prisoners - some were convicted, some merely charged. The issues were every type of crime you might imagine - murderers, rapists, arsonists, women who had killed their children, drug dealers, forgerers, violent, non-violent, crimes against persons, crimes against property, some neat and clean and charming, some dirty, smelly, and really jerks. I have treated every last one, every patient I've ever had, even if I didn't like them, with courtesy and dignity and have always done everything in my power to assist them with their health needs. To do less would be to disrespect God's creatures and to demean myself. Also, maybe my good behavior will stand me and my loved ones in good stead in the future. Yeah, I get tired of some people sometimes and I might limit the time I spend with some of them because they rub me the wrong way. I'm not naive. But I can lay my head down at night and know I treated my patients right.
  7. by   Rina10
    well, i must say that for humans to be satisfied they must be able to do what they want even if it invades the privacy of others.Invasion to privacy is a legal case,it should be dealt with legal authorities.
  8. by   KYCNM
    Quote from rina10
    well, i must say that for humans to be satisfied they must be able to do what they want even if it invades the privacy of others.invasion to privacy is a legal case,it should be dealt with legal authorities.

    rina10, where did you learn that for humans to be satisfied they must be able to do what they want even it if invades the privacy of others? it certainly does not reflect the golden rule (treat others as you would like to be treated).

    as a health care professional (if you really are one) you have been introduced to the concept of primum non nocere. in case you have not heard it before, it means, first, do no harm. while that is the physician's oath, nurses used to take a similar oath when they graduated from their nursing program. the oath stated:

    i solemnly pledge myself before god and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. i will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. i will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. with loyalty will i endeavor to aid the physician, in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.

    these words were written long before hipaa but address the issues well.

    and before the anti-physician's handmaiden group chimes in about the last sentence (endeavor to aid the physician). aid does not mean subservience, it means to provide assistance or help.

    sorry for the long rant, just had to get it off my chest.
  9. by   Mulan
    Quote from milner
    As for the person reporting....they did go to the hospital authorities. News media got the info later.

    How do you know so much about it?
  10. by   sleepyndopey
    Quote from Weeping Willow
    Which patients don't deserve respect and why not? Maybe you would define respect so we are all on the same page. Thanks.

    By the way, it has sometimes not been easy but I have worked with lots of different kinds of patients. Rich, poor, and in between, male and female, old and young, free and prisoner, American and those from numerous other countries and those of varying religions and political views. Yes, sometimes we do discuss such things, like now with the Presidential election always in the news and the war and the holidays just past.

    The prisoners - some were convicted, some merely charged. The issues were every type of crime you might imagine - murderers, rapists, arsonists, women who had killed their children, drug dealers, forgerers, violent, non-violent, crimes against persons, crimes against property, some neat and clean and charming, some dirty, smelly, and really jerks. I have treated every last one, every patient I've ever had, even if I didn't like them, with courtesy and dignity and have always done everything in my power to assist them with their health needs. To do less would be to disrespect God's creatures and to demean myself. Also, maybe my good behavior will stand me and my loved ones in good stead in the future. Yeah, I get tired of some people sometimes and I might limit the time I spend with some of them because they rub me the wrong way. I'm not naive. But I can lay my head down at night and know I treated my patients right.
    I have had patients who have raped children and have no remorse, even bragged about it to other patients. An individual who is hiv + and had unprotected sex with several unsuspecting partners. I have also treated every last one with courtesy and dignity. If you noticed, I did say I thought the surgeon was wrong. I will not, however, say I respect every patient just because they are ill.
    Thank you.
  11. by   sleepyndopey
    double post
    Last edit by sleepyndopey on Dec 31, '07 : Reason: double post
  12. by   TiredMD
    Quote from luvkitties
    Maybe I'm being naive here, but how could a person lose his/her job for being ethical and DOING THE RIGHT THING????
    http://www.azcentral.com/community/s...oto1219ON.html
    In an update on Mayo's Web site, President and CEO Denis Cortese said, "There have been two different individuals who violated our policies concerning respect and privacy."

    One, the update says, is the "inappropriate cellphone picture" taken by the surgeon. The other ethics breach, Cortese wrote, was by an employee who reported the incident and the patient's name to the media.

    "The insult to our reputation, our patients and our staff is the greatest outrage," Cortese wrote.

    The Arizona Republic on Tuesday identified the resident as Hansen. Patient Sean Dubowik, 37, whose penis bears the tattooed words "Hot Rod," said Hansen called him and acknowledged shooting the photo on Dec. 11 while he inserted a catheter prior to gallbladder surgery.


    Clearly the surgeon was wrong for taking the picture and showing it to other staff. However, another employee of Mayo informed the news media of the incident and gave the patient's name to the public. This is as eggregious as the cell phone picture. Maybe even worse, since it subjected this patient to public ridicule. Of course this person should lose their job and license, just as Dr. Hansen has.
  13. by   Tweety
    Quote from TiredMD
    http://www.azcentral.com/community/s...oto1219ON.html
    In an update on Mayo's Web site, President and CEO Denis Cortese said, "There have been two different individuals who violated our policies concerning respect and privacy."

    One, the update says, is the "inappropriate cellphone picture" taken by the surgeon. The other ethics breach, Cortese wrote, was by an employee who reported the incident and the patient's name to the media.

    "The insult to our reputation, our patients and our staff is the greatest outrage," Cortese wrote.

    The Arizona Republic on Tuesday identified the resident as Hansen. Patient Sean Dubowik, 37, whose penis bears the tattooed words "Hot Rod," said Hansen called him and acknowledged shooting the photo on Dec. 11 while he inserted a catheter prior to gallbladder surgery.


    Clearly the surgeon was wrong for taking the picture and showing it to other staff. However, another employee of Mayo informed the news media of the incident and gave the patient's name to the public. This is as eggregious as the cell phone picture. Maybe even worse, since it subjected this patient to public ridicule. Of course this person should lose their job and license, just as Dr. Hansen has.
    Agreed. The employee should have used the chain of command or at the chain for reporting MDs., not giving the information to the media.

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