St. Cloud Hospital suspends nurse after 23 inadvertently infected - page 2

A St. Cloud Hospital nurse is suspended pending an investigation into claims that the nurse inadvertently introduced bacterial infections into 23 patients while stealing pain medication from... Read More

  1. by   tiroka03
    I have a migraine, and just took some tylenol. What if they had only been placebos, and my pain just continued to increase. I would be upset But, if I were a pt in this hospital, I would really be mad. But, if I were a parent of a sick child and the meds were 'diverted' I would be inspeakably angry. Why are these "nurses" continually allowed back into nursing?
  2. by   eriksoln
    Quote from tiroka03
    I have a migraine, and just took some tylenol. What if they had only been placebos, and my pain just continued to increase. I would be upset But, if I were a pt in this hospital, I would really be mad. But, if I were a parent of a sick child and the meds were 'diverted' I would be inspeakably angry. Why are these "nurses" continually allowed back into nursing?
    Because too many nurses believe being altruistic and compassionate excludes tough love/common sense. When a fellow nurse is caught diverting, people swarm to their defense and want to protect their right to be allowed to practice again.

    In my mind, when you divert/steal drugs, you have crossed a very specific line in which there is not coming back from. Your right be be a nurse should be taken away.......... permanently and without question. Stories like this one would be much less common if we did things this way.
    Last edit by eriksoln on Mar 19, '11
  3. by   hiddencatRN
    Quote from eriksoln

    In my mind, when you divert/steal drugs, you have crossed a very specific line in which there is not coming back from. Your right be be a nurse should be taken away.......... permanently and without question. Stories like this one would be much less common if we did things this way.
    I agree. I understand that addiction is a disease...but something about diverting nurses really strikes a nerve with me. Our patients place their lives in our hands, and that is a sacred trust I don't think you deserve a "do-over" on if you violate that trust.
  4. by   azhiker96
    Quote from eriksoln
    Because too many nurses believe being altruistic and compassionate excludes tough love/common sense. When a fellow nurse is caught diverting, people swarm to their defense and want to protect their right to be allowed to practice again.

    In my mind, when you divert/steal drugs, you have crossed a very specific line in which there is not coming back from. Your right be be a nurse should be taken away.......... permanently and without question. Stories like this one would be much less common if we did things this way.
    I haven't seen people swarm to defend a nurse's right to practice when she's diverting. In most cases I bet it's coworkers who notice and report behavior that results in the culprit being caught. My state board's program for addicted nurses is not easy. It includes treatment, abstaining from drugs and alcohol, random testing, supervision, counseling, and therapy. The state board understands addicts and has zero tolerance for failing to test or missing appointments. It's a chance to retain experienced nurses who have slid down that slope into addiction.

    I know a nurse who was excellent. However, pain from surgery and family issues led her to become dependent on narcotics. In time, her work suffered and eventually she was discovered and when confronted she self-reported to the BON. Now she's in their program. I've read the terms of her probation and it's tough but I hope she can make it through it and get her life back in order.

    I understand the one strike and it's "off with her head" philosophy. I think it's reasonable for BONs to have a program like CANDO (Arizona) to try to help nurses with their addiction while protecting the public.
  5. by   guest_57352
    I feel if we had better professional standards for nursing, stuff like this wouldn't happen as often.

    Letting someone be in control of patients after a 2 year vocational program is kind of ridiculous. Entry-level BSN might help deter some people who go into nursing just to steal drugs, etc.

    Note: Not meant to offend any ADN prepared nurses - you guys are great! I meant that it is easier for people with less than moral intentions to get into nursing if they can just stop by their local community college and sign up. Making it a 4 year program might deter this kind of thing.
  6. by   martymoose
    pathetic.inadvertant my butt.
  7. by   CapeCodMermaid
    Quote from SyberianPuppy
    I feel if we had better professional standards for nursing, stuff like this wouldn't happen as often.

    Letting someone be in control of patients after a 2 year vocational program is kind of ridiculous. Entry-level BSN might help deter some people who go into nursing just to steal drugs, etc.

    Note: Not meant to offend any ADN prepared nurses - you guys are great! I meant that it is easier for people with less than moral intentions to get into nursing if they can just stop by their local community college and sign up. Making it a 4 year program might deter this kind of thing.
    WOW...you need to educate yourself on addiction and on nursing education. It is difficult to get into any nursing program these days. You can't just 'stop by the local community college and sign up.' Anyone regardless of their educational background can become an addict. And if you're going to start another war about who makes a better nurse, I'd rather have a hospital program trained nurse take care of me straight out of school than someone who spent more time with a book than a real patient.
  8. by   SnowShoeRN
    Quote from SyberianPuppy
    I feel if we had better professional standards for nursing, stuff like this wouldn't happen as often.

    Letting someone be in control of patients after a 2 year vocational program is kind of ridiculous. Entry-level BSN might help deter some people who go into nursing just to steal drugs, etc.

    Note: Not meant to offend any ADN prepared nurses - you guys are great! I meant that it is easier for people with less than moral intentions to get into nursing if they can just stop by their local community college and sign up. Making it a 4 year program might deter this kind of thing.
    I am dumbfounded by this kind of statement. FYI, my 4 year Bachelor's degree in another field from an IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL was EASIER to get than the nursing degree I got from "stopping by my local community college and signing up."

    We all take the same boards.

    One's "moral intention" has nothing to do with whether they have an ADN or a BSN.

    Just like how one's "moral intention" has nothing to do with whether or not they become an addict.

    If you don't wish to offend anyone, then don't make offensive statements!
  9. by   azhiker96
    Opioid addiction is a HUGE problem in anesthesia. Certainly it's not because anesthesiology is easy to get into. Here's a good article that covers some of the facts and issues with addiction among anesthesiologists.

    http://journals.lww.com/anesthesiolo...sks_of.25.aspx
  10. by   traumaRUs
    Let's stay on topic. This has NOTHING to do with the education level of the nurse involved.
  11. by   Mike A. Fungin RN
    Quote from lmferrrentino
    This is absolutely unacceptable! Nurses and drug abuse is beginigto reach almost every single community across the United States. This is not nursing, this is a sad case of addicts. How is this happenign so often? Actually the question needs to be WHY?
    How is this happening so often to doctors, pharmacists, and paramedics? When you take a profession that's inherently stressful and physically demanding then throw in access to narcotics this kind of this is going to happen. We as a profession can do things to discourage the behavior or to make it more difficult, but it's never going to go away.
  12. by   eriksoln
    Quote from traumaRUs
    Let's stay on topic. This has NOTHING to do with the education level of the nurse involved.
    YEAH. So there.

    Heck, I didn't even graduate Highschool and I never did this.

    <_<
    >_>
  13. by   justashooter
    Quote from lmferrrentino
    This is absolutely unacceptable! Nurses and drug abuse is beginigto reach almost every single community across the United States. This is not nursing, this is a sad case of addicts. How is this happenign so often? Actually the question needs to be WHY?
    a lower caliber of persons are taking up roles in nursing. the entire nation is being de-ethicised. we're all being told from childhood that bad behaviour is not really the result of our individual choices, but some "disease" that we can medicate (sedate).

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