The simplest explanation of Obamacare

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    Some of you may have seen the previous nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation 'toon narrated by Cokie Roberts when the ACA was first proposed. This is the most recent update.

    https://www.upworthy.com/the-simples...re-ever?c=upw1
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    I actually like how they presented the info. Easy to follow and wrap your head around. What do you think of it? It seems that everything said was accurate but then again I'm not all that politically-savvy. :/

    On that same note, I'd genuinely like to hear a logical explanation (not one coming from bias) from somone as to why they feel the Affordable Care Act is either a good or bad choice in reform? Do you believe these changes will be helpful or even more hurtful?

    Again, I don't know much about politics. These are honest questions of curiosity, not spiteful questions. I'm young and a new nursing student so learning about the politics of healthcare is all new to me. Would love to hear some different perspectives from you all. And it's nice because many of you here can see MUCH more of the big picture due to working first hand in healthcare!
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    There are a lot of administrators who are taking the opportunity to blame Obamacare for draconian staffing cuts they have been wanting to make for a long time. They are not being truthful, but some folks believe them.

    Also many employers know that the idea that you could cover your spouse on your health insurance originated when most women did not work outside the home; now employers don't want to have to pay to cover your spouse if s/he can get coverage through his/her own employer. You will either pay a hefty penalty to keep him/her on your job's coverage, or maybe not be able to do that at all. This, again, is not as a result of Obamacare, it's been in the works for a long time and some employers have been instituting these policies for a few years.

    I look at this as a no-brainer-- it's time the US joined the rest of the civilized world to provide care to its most vulnerable citizens, and we know better than most people that could be any of us at the blink of an eye. Our health care is not even close to the best in the world, it's by far the most expensive without corresponding high levels of quality, and there's no economic reason for it to be that way.

    When the real features of the plan come into full use, people will see that they have little to fear and much to gain. Rich folks will pay a bit more of their share; poor folks will not be flooding the ERs for primary care (we see this in MA, where ERs are not so full of sniffles and sore throats as they were 6 years ago before our universal insurance kicked in).

    This will be a time of upheaval, but it will all settle down and we'll still be working. I'm really pleased this is coming around.

    And you will note that I made absolutely no political judgments abut either side. I'd love to think we could keep it that way here on this thread, but hey. Can't make any guarantees, and certainly no rules other than basic civility.
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    Quote from GrnTea
    There are a lot of administrators who are taking the opportunity to blame Obamacare for draconian staffing cuts they have been wanting to make for a long time. They are not being truthful, but some folks believe them.

    Also many employers know that the idea that you could cover your spouse on your health insurance originated when most women did not work outside the home; now employers don't want to have to pay to cover your spouse if s/he can get coverage through his/her own employer. You will either pay a hefty penalty to keep him/her on your job's coverage, or maybe not be able to do that at all. This, again, is not as a result of Obamacare, it's been in the works for a long time and some employers have been instituting these policies for a few years.

    I look at this as a no-brainer-- it's time the US joined the rest of the civilized world to provide care to its most vulnerable citizens, and we know better than most people that could be any of us at the blink of an eye. Our health care is not even close to the best in the world, it's by far the most expensive without corresponding high levels of quality, and there's no economic reason for it to be that way.

    When the real features of the plan come into full use, people will see that they have little to fear and much to gain. Rich folks will pay a bit more of their share; poor folks will not be flooding the ERs for primary care (we see this in MA, where ERs are not so full of sniffles and sore throats as they were 6 years ago before our universal insurance kicked in).

    This will be a time of upheaval, but it will all settle down and we'll still be working. I'm really pleased this is coming around.

    And you will note that I made absolutely no political judgments abut either side. I'd love to think we could keep it that way here on this thread, but hey. Can't make any guarantees, and certainly no rules other than basic civility.
    I agree 100% with all of the above.
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    I'm interested to see how each state handles this. In my state their are many tiers to pick from. Kind if boggles the mind. I thought the ultimate goal was to eventually make it even across the board. My insurance doesn't cover what the person on Caresource is getting, I have to a lot of
    Limitations on my coverage and have had more than doc tell me too bad we aren't on Caresource. I hope that this will fix this!
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    Quote from GrnTea
    There are a lot of administrators who are taking the opportunity to blame Obamacare for draconian staffing cuts they have been wanting to make for a long time. They are not being truthful, but some folks believe them. Also many employers know that the idea that you could cover your spouse on your health insurance originated when most women did not work outside the home; now employers don't want to have to pay to cover your spouse if s/he can get coverage through his/her own employer. You will either pay a hefty penalty to keep him/her on your job's coverage, or maybe not be able to do that at all. This, again, is not as a result of Obamacare, it's been in the works for a long time and some employers have been instituting these policies for a few years. I look at this as a no-brainer-- it's time the US joined the rest of the civilized world to provide care to its most vulnerable citizens, and we know better than most people that could be any of us at the blink of an eye. Our health care is not even close to the best in the world, it's by far the most expensive without corresponding high levels of quality, and there's no economic reason for it to be that way. When the real features of the plan come into full use, people will see that they have little to fear and much to gain. Rich folks will pay a bit more of their share; poor folks will not be flooding the ERs for primary care (we see this in MA, where ERs are not so full of sniffles and sore throats as they were 6 years ago before our universal insurance kicked in). This will be a time of upheaval, but it will all settle down and we'll still be working. I'm really pleased this is coming around. And you will note that I made absolutely no political judgments abut either side. I'd love to think we could keep it that way here on this thread, but hey. Can't make any guarantees, and certainly no rules other than basic civility.
    I'm on the fence about the ACA. On one hand, I think that everyone should be able to be insured. Along with this, I would like to see people take better care of themselves and be responsible for their health. I know the term noncompliance is a big mo no, but people do need to be responsible for themselves. I also don't think that all this comes without a significant price tag. Health care isn't free-it's just that someone else is paying for it.
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    Answer one question truthfully; If Obamacare is so fantastic how come those who passed it excluded themselves, their families, their employees, and their rich constituents from it???
    MauraRN, tntrn, diver117, and 7 others like this.
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    Because if you have insurance already, you don't need it. That's why they excluded themselves.
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    Then there was no need to exclude themselves or their families or their employees or their rich constituents. Your train of thought is the same as the guy standing on a NYC street corner with a banana in his ear in order to keep a rampaging herd of elephants away. The lack of elephants does not prove it works.
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    Quote from Caribbean Character
    Answer one question truthfully; If Obamacare is so fantastic how come those who passed it excluded themselves, their families, their employees, and their rich constituents from it???
    Because they have better insurance...the same insurance I believe WE should be able to have.

    One of the former (late) senators in my State had cancer THREE times, and was able to be in remission TWO (maybe three?) of the three times, and returned to work as a Senator...most people don't even have that chance AT ALL ...and it's paid by US...why not have it across the board, accessible to the people who don't have perks and private vehicles and oh-sponsored tax payer housing without the accusation of being a "taker" and continuously vote to have raises, and make six figures, and don't work all year round; are supposed to work at least part time, but SURPRISE! They fit their own hours and don't get to lose THEIR insurance.

    If we're for the people, by the people, the LEAST "we the people" can have is access to healthcare at any given time, afford it, and increase their quality of life as one may see fit.


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