Signs of the times: largest St Louis Hospital System laying off RNs

  1. 2 This is totally unprecedented, unheard off in this part of the country. I never believed that we would get to this point but this hits home. Nurses will be laid off at the nationally ranked St Louis Children's Hospital, Missouri Baptist Medical Center and the Washington University's School of Medicine's Barnes-Jewish Hospital. Similar cuts are being made in other states the article says. We are in a totally new game now folks. There are more of us nurses than hospital jobs, and henceforth they have the upper hand in hiring and dictating working conditions. Expect lower pay and more misery because for the first time in a long, long time, the shortage now is of jobs and not nurses!

    http://www.stltoday.com/business/loc...72559a011.html
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  3. Visit  trueblue2000} profile page

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  4. Visit  montecarlo64} profile page
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    Nothing new...I am glad the media is finally getting it right: there is NO nurse shortage, but an over saturation due to the recession, nursing schools continuing to pump out new grads with not much hope to land a hospital job, and lots of people still unemployed and currently without insurance...The impending cuts in medicare and medicaid are an excuse for hospitals to cut staff in order to maintain their profit margins...Too many years of manipulating medicare and medicaid with unnecessary tests, treatments and therapy has finally caught up...Yes, wages have already been cut in my neck of the woods for nurses & I think this will continue for quite some time.
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  5. Visit  rykki} profile page
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    I'm about to start my 2-year nursing program in the Fall... how bad is it out there? I'm quite scared and online searching gives me such mixed results, I'd really appreciate your non-sugar coated views. Thank you!
  6. Visit  AZ_LPN_8_26_13} profile page
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    Yes, the so called "nursing shortage" was actually never anything more than a doom and gloom forecast, and given present demographic trends, not a very accurate forecast. The way nursing schools are pumping out graduates, there will not be a 2020 or 2025 shortage of nurses for all of the baby boomers out there. Another demographic that gets ignored is that many baby boomers are into what is termed alternative medicine and many are distrustful of traditional medicine and hospitals. Look to see more home health care and community oriented healthcare. I just finished graduating as an LPN and I am going to try an LPN to BSN program to get my RN, but I don't expect to work in a hospital. I work in a hospital now as an aide, and frankly there are lots of things I don't like about working in the hospital. Trust me folks, its not all it's cracked up to be. In the four years I have been an aide at the hospital I have seen our patients come in sicker and sicker - most of the time they don't even know or appreciate the care they get or the backbreaking exhausting work we do everyday. I can more easily see myself visiting older folks in their homes and caring for them there in their final years, or working in a community clinic for low income people who cannot afford Cadillac healthcare. Will I make the megabucks that big city hospital RNs make? Probably not. But money isn't everything. Someday hospitals will have only the very worst train wreck type cases, and patent to nurse ratios will be insane, plus you will probably get little to no support from your supposed leaders. To me, that's the future of hospital health care, and the more I thoughtfully consider it, the less I desire a hospital career. I honestly don't think that is where the real future of nursing lies anyway.
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  7. Visit  dirtyhippiegirl} profile page
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    MO is getting hit hard. Legislature basically didn't approve enough funding for Obamacare initiatives so hospitals are cutting corners left and right. For anyone in the KCMO area, Liberty Hospital (a small hospital anyway!) is laying off ~175 nurses and is, I believe, going totally private -- no medicare/medicaid. Truman at Lakewood can't afford to upgrade its psych facilities to meet code so they're closing the units. Truman on Hospital Hill is cutting positions like wound care, IV therapy, and CNS staff.
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    Quote from AZ_RN2B
    Yes, the so called "nursing shortage" was actually never anything more than a doom and gloom forecast, and given present demographic trends, not a very accurate forecast.
    *** No, no it wasn't a doom and gloom forcast. The "nursing shortage" was deliberate propaganda put out by those who stand to gain financialy from a glut of nurses (employers of nurses and schools of nursing). The current glut of nurses was created deliberatly in order to drive down wages and benifits and make nurses more compliant with poor working conditions. The economic crash of 2008 only moved the glut day ahead a few years.
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    Quote from trueblue2000
    This is totally unprecedented, unheard off in this part of the country. I never believed that we would get to this point but this hits home. Nurses will be laid off at the nationally ranked St Louis Children's Hospital, Missouri Baptist Medical Center and the Washington University's School of Medicine's Barnes-Jewish Hospital. l
    *** This is amazing since just a few years ago Barnes-Jewish Hospital was sending it's nurse recruiters up here to Wisconsin community colleges and universities trying to recruit new grads. They were offering relocation and signing bonuses to new grads.
  10. Visit  RCBR} profile page
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    Quote from rykki
    I'm about to start my 2-year nursing program in the Fall... how bad is it out there? I'm quite scared and online searching gives me such mixed results, I'd really appreciate your non-sugar coated views. Thank you!

    You should not be scared, nor should news such as the one posted discourage you from pursuing nursing, if your heart is into it. Compared to other professions, nursing still offers good employment prospects. But the game has changed! No longer hospitals compete for you; now you have to hustle for the job. No more signing/referral bonuses, student loan repayment - on the way out, frozen wages yes, higher patient/nurse ratios absolutely, phasing out/reduction of retirement benefits for sure, easily replacing you if you don't perform to their expectations? not a problem, there are a dozen qualified RNs waiting at the door. If you love nursing, you will still find fulfillment in the job, but if you are getting in it for the money, benefits and job security... all of that is gone now.
    Last edit by RCBR on Jun 17, '13
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    Quote from rykki
    I'm about to start my 2-year nursing program in the Fall... how bad is it out there? I'm quite scared and online searching gives me such mixed results, I'd really appreciate your non-sugar coated views. Thank you!
    If you MUST be a nurse (and I absolutely had to, myself) I wouldn't waste time with a 2 year program in this environment. Take your pre-nursing at your local CC and then transfer into a 4 year program.
    I already had a BA and it took me 3 years of part-time to get BSN, but I was able to work those years and borrowed the minimum and got a few scholarships.
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  12. Visit  kbrn2002} profile page
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    In a strictly unofficial poll of nurses I know around the country...California, Washington and Oregon have poor job prospects, as do New York and Pennsylvania. Basically it's not easy to find a job on the coasts. The southern states seem to be faring a little better, Texas and Arizona in particular. Middle America is a bit of a crap shoot, some areas seem to hiring and some are not. Of course this is just based on some nurses opinions from those areas that I talk to regularly, some in big cities and some in smaller communities. Across the board in areas that are saturated with nursing programs the job market is grim...new grads are frequently having to move to find employment. I won't say finding a job is impossible, but gone are the days of nurse recruiters looking for you and jobs offering sign on bonuses and moving expenses!
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  13. Visit  tokmom} profile page
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    Washington is 'ok' when it comes to obtaining jobs. Our 5 hospitals are always hiring, though they did put the new grad residency on hold until August. Can a nurse walk in wearing shorts and flip flops to just ask for a job app, like the old days? Nope. Better hustle the game, because you are up against multiple candidates.

    Addressing the wanna be nurse: If you want to be a nurse, than go for it. But, I will echo what others have said. Go for the BSN, which you will need anyway for community health settings.

    It is a scary world out there with all the cuts happening. Thankfully I work for a viable organization that has been prudent. However, I still am upping the game, becoming more employable with higher education, certifications and whatever else I can do to stand out....just in case.
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  14. Visit  Aussierules1985} profile page
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    Wasn't there way back when a reduction in pay nationwide for nurses, like the 80's or something?
  15. Visit  casias12} profile page
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    I think a few of the comments are very right. Tech schools are advertising in newspapers, and newspapers continue to write about a "nursing shortage" to help them out. Tech schools and community colleges are expanding enrollment to bring people from other professions into nursing to make money. Online is way too easy, so more people are taking at least part of theri coursework without ever leaving home. And hospitals LOVE this. They can move older seasoned nurses out and bring in new grads who are anxious to do the work for much less. It is coming.
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