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No. 10
from Jolie
Old Jul 03, 2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tryingtohaveitall View Post
Actually, SBS injuries are caused by very violent acts against a child, thus the reason that many of them come in with skull fractures, broken ribs, femurs, retinal hemorrhages, etc.

Then that should raise questions of mis-diagnosis when a child who comes in with a brain hemorrhage but no other physical injuries is labeled as "SBS." The child I referred to in my post died a perfect physical specimen. No scratches, bumps, bruises, fractures or trauma. Just bleeding in the brain that the "experts" attributed to a very unlikely and implausible scenario of deliberate abuse by the mother.

Of course no one wants the wrong person to be prosecuted and that is horrible when it happens. Unfortunately, what I have seen in 20 years of pediatric critical care is that all too often no one is ever prosecuted or serves a day of time for horrible abuse against an innocent child.
Failure of authorities to prosecute a guilty individual is no justification for an innocent person to be destroyed by flawed theories.
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No. 11
Old Jul 04, 2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolie View Post
Failure of authorities to prosecute a guilty individual is no justification for an innocent person to be destroyed by flawed theories.
Thus the reason I said that no one wants an innocent person to be persecuted and that would be horrible.

How many SBS children have you watched die from "flawed theories"? Since when do law students guide medicine?
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No. 12
from Jolie
Old Jul 04, 2009, 11:24 AM

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Clearly we are both pasionate in our beliefs. But it is not necessary to stoop to the level of ridiculousness. No one dies from theories.

Children die from abuse. They also die from other causes that can be and are mistaken for abuse.

It's time our medical, legal and social service systems acknowledged that possibility.
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No. 13
Old Jul 04, 2009, 01:25 PM

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As a toddler, my daughter had a marvelous time riding ponies that trotted, bouncing her around like a ragdoll, in a park in Los Angeles. She's never been diagnosed as having brain damage, but she did have learning disabilities.......

It just occurred to me, seeing this post, that she could have been a "shaken baby". I wonder if any of the many little ones, tied on to those animals, was killed by having that done to them. Many cried pitifully.

It would be a good idea, if such a thing might have happened, to ask about it, when a child is presented in ED with "shaken child" symptoms.
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No. 14
from wownurse
Old Jul 18, 2009, 01:41 PM

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I just wanted to say thank you tryingtohaveitall, for looking at the article for the irresponsible piece that it is. The issue of SBS in the court of law is the fact that the art of medicine and the corruption of the legal system will never meet. It is the primary reason that the AAP changed officially it's definition of SBS to Abusive Head Trauma that it is.

There is no new evidence as the new, young and hungry, legal beagles would have you believe, it's all old non-peer reviewed evidence that was published by individual "practitioners" who never cared for an infant or a child that was dying from SBS, and that took on cases for the defense for the horrifically criminal fees of up to $10,000 a day. They won't tell you about the actual peer reviewed and proven data that is available.

When someone can get aquitted in a court of law because they sat on the witness stand and said a 6 month old baby, fondly called "Henry the Tank" because of his healthy status, died because of an "evolving stroke" there is something rotten in not only Denmark.

One thing everyone can take the bank is this; "not a single one of the physicians, practitioners, attorneys or judges professing SBS is a Junk Science would stand before anyone and say, sure it's okay to shake a baby, it's Junk Science and doesn't happen".

Those individuals who have dedicated their lives to the protection and care of children know all to well good people do bad things and particularly in this stress driven environment that we live in. No one should be able to walk away from the serious injury or death of a child because of a "legal technicality" and it happens every day.

Pamela Rowse, RN, MS
Grandmother to Kierra Ashlie Danielle Harrison
Murdered by her Licensed Day Care Provider March 5, 1997
Founder of the Kierra Harrsion Foundation for Child Savety
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No. 15
Old Aug 01, 2009, 01:58 PM

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I have a lot of issues with the SBS claims. My son died from a rare (and apparently genetic) reaction to the DTaP vaccine. It caused a brain bleed within minutes of administration but the Ped blew it off and said it was normal for babies to get bloodshot eyes after their shots. I was only 20 and didn't know any better. He died a couple of weeks later. The police, hospital staff, and medical examinier accused me of SBS and my other son (his twin brother) was placed in CPS custody. The medical examiner found the real cause of death but for some reason didn't want to report it until she was forced to in court. It's a good thing we had an excellent attorney or we'd be sitting in prison right now for something we didn't do. It took years to get our son back and he has all kinds of emotional problems from it.

I have to wonder how many SBS cases are really caused by something else. Not vaccine reactions, of course, because what happened to us is apparently very rare.
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No. 16
Old Aug 01, 2009, 08:30 PM

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[quote=Jolie;3724186]Clearly we are both pasionate in our beliefs. But it is not necessary to stoop to the level of ridiculousness. No one dies from theories.

Children die from abuse. They also die from other causes that can be and are mistaken for abuse.

It's time our medical, legal and social service systems acknowledged that possibility.[/quote]

There was a forensic child pathologist named Dr. Charles Simth who worked at the Hospital For Sick Kids in Toronto. A few years ago an investigation was started because of allegations that he made mistakes in a number of cases he was involved in. Cases where parents and caregivers went to jail for murder or manslaughter. He was responsible for giving evidence whether or not a child was shaken, fell out of a high chair etc. All of this was very big in the news here. This 'Doctor' was supposed to be an expert and he testified at 1000 cases or more. Anyway, after years of investigation it turns out that 45 autopsies were suspicious. In 20 of them mistakes were found and in 13 cases innocent people went to jail. These parents are out of jail now, but the damage is done. Their reputations, relationships, careers are ruined. How do you fix something like that? This guy had evidence lost in his office. Nothing was filed properly...it was a mess...How many other innocent parents did he send to jail? I couldn't imagine losing one of my children and then being accused of their death on top of it.
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No. 17
from PARENT
Old Sep 14, 2009, 04:21 PM

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I agree , and know from personal and first-hand experience, that smoetimes the innocent parents do mistakenly get blamed and sometimes imprisoned unjustly. If we look at Dr. Uscinski's studies he shows there are alot other things that can cause the same symptoms that are commonly deemed Shaken Baby Syndrome. HI s mentor, Dr. Ommaya, is the only person to have a documented study that uses real scientific data to support the theory. After reviewing his mentor's studies, Dr. Uscinski concedes that the studies were based using faulty data. Even Dr. Ommaya admits this as does the originator of this SBS theory, Dr. Caffrrey. No one knows what casues SIDS but if you look at the commonalities of children diagnosed with SIDS and Shaken Baby Syndrome....there are ALOT of similarities such as 1) Occurs in more males than females 2) Almost never occurs in Summer but rather late fall, winter and early spring 3) Alot of these children, have in fact, received recent immunizations

After reviewing several studies and reports regarding this, I see something unusual. I feel that SIDS and Shaken Baby Syndrome, could possibly be caused by the same unknown causes. The only difference in SIDS and SBS is one lacks internal brain bleeds.

There is a Dr. Michael Innis that indicates to show him ONE child that has been diagnosed with Shaken Baby Syndrome that does not have a weakened immune system or a deficeint liver. No one has taken him up on this proposition and after reading this and then researching several cases on the internet....I DID NOT FIND ONE CASE IN WHICH THE CHILD DID NOT HAVE A SEVERE MEDICAL ISSUE AND MAJORITY DID HAEV DEFICIENT LIVER AND AUTO-IMMUNE DEFIECIENCY
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