Schwarzenegger Says Nurses are "Set Dressing" - page 24

And the hits just keep on coming ... :uhoh21: According to the Sacramento Bee, Gov. Schwarzenegger had this to say about protesting nurses in California: "They are becoming now more and more... Read More

  1. by   soontobe_RN
    Well, I just spent almost an hour reading every single post. I have to say that I am somewhat confused on what Gov. Schwarzenegger did and did not mean with the comments that he made. I guess only Arnold knows the answer to that. However, I feel that we have got a little off track. To me, the main objective in this nurse-to-patient ratio proposal is to decrease the amount of accidents that happen when nurses are overwelmed with patients. I really don't care how bad of an actor he was b/c I don't watch his movies. I don't care about the stupid jokes he makes at his press confrences b/c I'm not there. What I do care about is that for some reason, Gov. Schwarzenegger, is not understanding the main objective. I decided to be a nurse b/c I love to care for people. If I can not do that safely, then.... what is the point??!!
    I also want to add, where are all the malpractice insurances in all of this? Wouldn't it make sense for them to help get this passed, due to the fact that it would save them money? With the statistics that I have read, most malpractice suits that involves nurses is b/c the nurses were overwelmed with patients and overworked.
    Just a thought!!

    Jennifer
  2. by   teeituptom
    Quote from Franemtnurse
    Who, him? And what is he saying about himself as governor, or in this photo dressed as a doc?


    Lets Impeach Arnie
  3. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Franemtnurse
    Who, him? And what is he saying about himself as governor, or in this photo dressed as a doc?
    This photo was on another thread about Arnold . . If I remember right he and Jamie Lee Curtis (the woman standing with him) were at a fundraiser - nothing political.

    steph

    (but I'll check to make sure)
  4. by   FranEMTnurse
    Quote from stevielynn
    This photo was on another thread about Arnold . . If I remember right he and Jamie Lee Curtis (the woman standing with him) were at a fundraiser - nothing political.

    steph

    (but I'll check to make sure)
    You're probably right Steph, but I thought it got the point across as to what I was talking about.
  5. by   lindarn
    Quote from imperial
    The dear Gov of CA needs to be replaced or put in a situation whereby h e is the recipient of care when there are nursing shortages. He also vetoed the public disclosure of infection rates in hospitals. Now, if hospitals would have had to publically disclose infeciton rates, they would be more accountable to patients. I am sure that Arnie does not get the same healthcare as the normal folks.
    I moved to California from NY in 1979. I went to work at UCLA in the Coronary Observation Unit on nights. A few months after I started to work there, 1980, Arnie admtted his mother to our unit, and she was my patient for three days. She was a very gracious lady who barely spoke English. The unit where I worked was a cardiac stepdown unit, and thanks to the staffing ratios of Title 22, I only had four patients to care for. I was able to provide his mother with quality care, and a little extra TLC because she was an old woman who I felt was probably a little more frightened due to the communication barrier.

    I guess that the staffing ratios were OK for his mother, but they are not alright for others who are only on a med surg floor. I heard recently that his mother passed away.

    Anyway if there is anyone here from CNA, I will be happy to allow you to use this story to fight to keep the ratios, and fight Arnie's propaganda in the paper. PM me if you want to contact me.

    Linda Gusch, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Medical Legal Consulting, pRN
    Spokane, Washington
  6. by   Jessy_RN
    Quote from lizz
    And the hits just keep on coming ... :uhoh21:

    According to the Sacramento Bee, Gov. Schwarzenegger had this to say about protesting nurses in California:

    "They are becoming now more and more part of the set dressing," he said in an interview this week. "It's kind of like the extras when you do a movie and you need extras in the background. That's what they've become. That's fine with me."

    http://www.sacbee.com/content/politi...13318409c.html

    Here's the entire article:

    Members of the California Nurses Association stood up as Schwarzenegger was speaking at the Sheraton Grand on Thursday and unfurled a banner reading, "Stop the Power Grab."

    A week earlier, they protested as the Republican governor and a group of Hollywood stars arrived for a Sacramento movie premiere. The California Highway Patrol pulled one nurse out of the theater audience for questioning after spotting her hospital uniform.

    The CNA plans to fly an anti-Schwar-zenegger banner over the Oscar ceremonies in Hollywood on Sunday night.

    Officials of the state's largest nurses union say their concern is patient safety: They want the governor to stop blocking new regulations that would boost the number of nurses hospitals are required to have on duty.

    Largely due to the sponsorship of the CNA, California last year became the first state in the nation to institute mandatory nurse-patient ratios for hospitals. Until Schwarzenegger stepped in, the allowable ratio of patients to nurses was scheduled to decrease in January. The plan would have increased the mandatory number of nurses since each nurse would be handling fewer patients.

    But critics of the registered nurses union - namely, hospitals - say the group's aggressive tactics are more suited to the Teamsters than to caregivers. And they charge that the CNA is using the publicity as part of a national organizing drive.

    "What's important is that people understand their agenda," said Jan Emerson, a spokeswoman for the California Hospital Association. "Their vitriolic campaigning citing what are honestly minor changes to the ratios is not about their so-called concern about patients. It is about their efforts to make themselves a national labor union."

    Schwarzenegger himself is dismissive of the protesters who are becoming a regular part of his political road show.

    "They are becoming now more and more part of the set dressing," he said in an interview this week. "It's kind of like the extras when you do a movie and you need extras in the background. That's what they've become. That's fine with me."

    Officials at the CNA see the complaints about their tactics as pure sexism.

    "If you know anything about nurses at the bedside, they are extremely vocal in making sure they get the staffing they need," said Deborah Burger, a nurse who is president of the CNA. "They have to go up against sometimes very hostile hospital administrators and doctors. It only seems hostile or assertive because I think there's a bit of a gender bias. ... It's really trying to say women are not acting as they are supposed to."

    She added: "We couldn't be doing this aggressive campaign if we didn't have 100 percent support from our nurses."

    The CNA has 60,000 members and represents registered nurses at 171 health facilities throughout the state. Bay Area nurses founded the organization as a professional association affiliated with the national American Nurses Association about 100 years ago. It became a union in the 1940s.

    The group also lobbies on health care issues and donates to political campaigns. Officially nonpartisan, the CNA tends to give to Democrats who support its views. The group opposed the recall election and declined to endorse a candidate in the race for a new governor.

    Ten years ago, the CNA broke away from the more conservative American Nurses Association at a time when the advent of managed care in California stirred political activism among nurses. The CNA's membership has almost tripled since then, its leaders say.

    According to the Center for California Health Workforce Studies at the University of California, San Francisco, about one in five nurses nationwide is a member of a union, but the rate in California is double that.

    The CNA gained national fame among nurses in 1999 when Gov. Gray Davis signed the nation's first law mandating staffing ratios at hospitals.

    Partly because of the ratio law, Modern Healthcare magazine last year named CNA Director Rose Ann DeMoro the 35th most powerful person in health care in the nation, above such people as the dean of the Yale medical school and executives at Kaiser Permanente.

    The group has been organizing nationally, sparking sometimes bitter fights in California, Hawaii and Illinois as they attempt to persuade nurses that the CNA can help them more than other unions.

    "The California Nurses Association has been nationally recognized as one of the most aggressive nursing unions in the United States," said Joanne Spetz, associate director of the Center for California Health Workforce Studies. "That's been controversial within the profession. There are a lot of nurses who think collective bargaining is contrary to the notion of being a profession."

    Emerson of the California Hospital Association, for one, is not a fan of the CNA's tactics. She recalls a 2001 protest that the CNA held at the hospital group's Sacramento offices.

    "They came into our office building, stormed the elevators, jammed our lobby and stood on our furniture," Emerson said. "They yelled all kinds of very angry charges, including, 'CHA kills people.' They marched around our reception desk for about 15 minutes. They broke through some locked doors and harassed support staff and then demanded to use our bathrooms. They told one of our lobbyists if they didn't let them use our bathrooms, they would urinate on our carpets."

    CNA officials describe the protest differently. They said it was fully within the bounds of acceptable conduct. The suggestion that they threatened to defile the CHA's carpets is "a baldfaced lie," said the CNA's DeMoro, a professional labor organizer whom the nurses hired away from a job organizing film industry producers for the Teamsters union 20 years ago.

    "What Schwarzenegger has done is made this a very partisan fight because now he's getting the Republicans to attack us," DeMoro said. "The reality is nurses are not partisan."

    Schwarzenegger amped up the nurses' ire at a Long Beach speech in December when he responded to their noisy protest by saying, "Pay no attention to those voices over there. They are the special interests, and you know what I mean. The special interests don't like me in Sacramento because I am always kicking their butts."

    More recently, the CNA says the Schwarzenegger administration has overreacted to some of its protests, citing the incident when a nurse, Kelly DiGiacomo, was questioned and detained during the movie premiere.

    Kelly Huston, a spokesman for the California Highway Patrol, said that the officers were performing routine security matters.

    The governor says he has nothing against nurses.

    "They have taken care of me really well each time I was in the hospital, if it was in the heart surgery or the hip surgery or whatever it was," he said.

    He added: "Each of those nurses that are protesting are at the same time saving lives. And they are just being dragged in by the union. Eventually, they will get it that the unions are taking (money) from their paychecks and they have no control over it."

    He doesn't plan to change his mind.

    The nurses "can do whatever they need to do," he said. "I do what I need to do, and that's how we're going to go down the line."

    The nurses don't plan to change, either.

    "We don't have a choice but to fight the fight," DeMoro said. "If we don't fight, who will help the public?"
    THAT MAN MAKES ME SICK IN EVERY ASPECT. HE IS A BAD ACTOR, TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING, AND A GOOD FOR NOTHING GOVERNOR :angryfire

    WHERE ARE ALL THOSE THAT VOTED FOR HIM....... REPENTING I HOPE.
  7. by   Sheri257
    Quote from lindarn
    I moved to California from NY in 1979. I went to work at UCLA in the Coronary Observation Unit on nights. A few months after I started to work there, 1980, Arnie admtted his mother to our unit, and she was my patient for three days. She was a very gracious lady who barely spoke English. The unit where I worked was a cardiac stepdown unit, and thanks to the staffing ratios of Title 22, I only had four patients to care for. I was able to provide his mother with quality care, and a little extra TLC because she was an old woman who I felt was probably a little more frightened due to the communication barrier.

    I guess that the staffing ratios were OK for his mother, but they are not alright for others who are only on a med surg floor. I heard recently that his mother passed away.

    Anyway if there is anyone here from CNA, I will be happy to allow you to use this story to fight to keep the ratios, and fight Arnie's propaganda in the paper. PM me if you want to contact me.

    Linda Gusch, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Medical Legal Consulting, pRN
    Spokane, Washington
    WOW. What an amazing story.

    It would be great if CNA could use this but, would you be risking a HIPAA violation, even if his mother passed away?

  8. by   kenheather
    I realize that this comment may get me much hate mail, but here I go anyway. I think that Arnold's comment about the nurses being set dressing was simple made toward the protesters being everywhere that he went. He saw them constantly at every event he went to, hence the term set dressing. Now, please bear in mind that I am in no way defending Arnold, and I really don't know the whole story since I moved out of CA (thank God!), but I really think that his comment is being taken the wrong way. I really don't think he meant all nurses are set dressing, but the that the protesters who followed him everywhere were the movie extras.

    Now that I said that, bring on the hate mail!
  9. by   cdmedconsulting
    I tend to agree with you on this, so this is not hate mail.

    I did, however, write a letter to the governor of California and let him know to be careful how he talks about nursing in general because next time he is in the hospital, he will have to deal with nurses. Also,depending on how long or short our memories are, his care may not be as, dare I say, good.

    Sorry, to disappoint you, but no hate mail from me and I would never write to you or anyone else in that fashion. So, boring as it is, enjoy!

    Cheryl
  10. by   mdfog10
    The problem with Arnold is that he will never suffer from the changes he wants to make. His kids go to private schools. If anyone he loves is ill, you bet they will have a private duty RN and never wait for any treatment or intervention.

    He is no friend to the hardworking , decent people of California
  11. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from kenheather
    i realize that this comment may get me much hate mail, but here i go anyway. i think that arnold's comment about the nurses being set dressing was simple made toward the protesters being everywhere that he went. he saw them constantly at every event he went to, hence the term set dressing. now, please bear in mind that i am in no way defending arnold, and i really don't know the whole story since i moved out of ca (thank god!), but i really think that his comment is being taken the wrong way. i really don't think he meant all nurses are set dressing, but the that the protesters who followed him everywhere were the movie extras.

    now that i said that, bring on the hate mail!
    no hate mail here . . .some of us have been saying the same things for days and days and days . . . arnold was referring to the union reps who followed him around from event after event and were always there, like set dressing.

    it drives me a little nuts that people mistakenly attribute things to people . .like the title to this thread "schwarznegger says nurses are "set dressing".

    like when the ana came out with signs during the election, "nurses for kerry". not all nurses where for kerry. or for bush. it should have said "some nurses" or "these nurses".

    anyway, just a pet peeve of mine.

    steph
  12. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from mdfog10
    The problem with Arnold is that he will never suffer from the changes he wants to make. His kids go to private schools. If anyone he loves is ill, you bet they will have a private duty RN and never wait for any treatment or intervention.

    He is no friend to the hardworking , decent people of California
    this is indeed to cold, hard truth.
  13. by   imperial
    I can agree with a little of what everyone is stating. I become annoyed when I think that Arnie 1) did vetoe the bill that would have made hospitals publically disclose infection control rates and, 2) staff ratio bill. Of course, I do NOT get it. If infection rates were to be disclosed to the public, would it not make hospitals more accountable as well as having nursing staff and OTHER staff practice better infection control. I continually observe staff (not specifically nurses) wearing the same pair of gloves the entire day, transporting patients from here to there, never changing gloves. Is there that much ignorance to why one wears gloves or is there just no appreciation for infection control? I do not get it. And, I agree that when anyone in Arnie's family needs care they probably do get private nurses. So, what is the answer, that is what I want to know. I made a suggestion to a hospital administrator and VP of nursing of how, in my mind, infection control rates would drop.. Here it is..

    1. show nursing staff and OTHER staff how much money is spent when patiens acquire an infection in the hospital, or have to return shortly after being discharged due to an infection.
    2. show staff the number of deaths as a direct result of infections
    3. have a family member or patient who has experienced the devastating effects of an acquired hospital/healthcare infection talk to staff. How this can affect an entire family emotionally and psychologically.
    4. AND.............tell staff that if they get the infection rates down they will get a reward/bonus/ call it what you like.. but let those who work hard reep the reward... It is simple and easy enough. kinda like a pay for performance.

    So, did the hospital listen NO> I found this interesting considering this larger hospital has a huge infection rate for inpt. So, let's keep transmitting infections and those nast pathogens from one place to another.. Let's watch them crawl all over patients and tables etc.. Hope we never have to go into the hospital or a loved one .. it is DANGEROUS>>>>>>>>>>.

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