Schwarzenegger Says Nurses are "Set Dressing" - page 15

And the hits just keep on coming ... :uhoh21: According to the Sacramento Bee, Gov. Schwarzenegger had this to say about protesting nurses in California: "They are becoming now more and more... Read More

  1. by   Spidey's mom
    Alison - I'm not all that crazy about Arnold either and didn't vote for him.

    Adventure . . . .it just depends on where you are sitting whether you believe a group is advocating at the public's benefit or expense. There are special interest groups advocating for Terri Schiavo right now - citizens with disabilities who are tired of being characterized as dispensible simply because they are disabled. But I've heard them castigated for advocating for Terri and her parents against the husband ... so it depends on where you sit.

    My husband and I are in the logging industry. From where we sit the looney left environmentalists who chain themselves to trees or spike trees so that a faller gets hurt while attempting to cut the tree down or burn logging equipment are wrong.

    My family hunts. We believe in the right to bear arms. We don't think we are a public threat.

    The examples you sited could go the other way depending on where you sit.

    You shouldn't get to decide which special interest group is only special enough to exist.

    And I still say, as have others who have posted here, that the governer was speaking about a specific group of protesters who have been following him around, a group of union represenatives from CNA. Not nurses in general. Not every nurse is in a union. Not every nurse thinks postponing the 1:5 ratio is a bad thing.

    The gov even said he wasn't talking about all nurses.

    And remember, I didn't vote for him . . . I went for the more conservative guy.

    steph
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Mar 13, '05
  2. by   fergus51
    I don't think Ahnold's attitude towards nurses is clear from that one quote, but his actions are pretty telling. Someone who respects and values nurses (not CNA members) would not trash lift teams and patient ratios or try to disolve the BON and say people could be trained to monitor both auto mechanics and nurses. How can anyone do these things if they respect nurses?
  3. by   AdventureRN
    Steph...

    Your need to defend Arnold or spin what he said or to whom he directed it is beyond my understanding, but do what you must. For those of us who have read and reread the original article (post #1), paying attention not only to his words, but the context and tone in which they were delivered, we see it differently. Kindly allow us to state our opinions. You've certainly done the same over and over.

    Attacking environmentalists as "looney" is not only off topic but inappropriate in a forum such as this. You can certainly tout and fund all of the anti-environmental, pro-gun, pro-conservative causes you wish, but why bring it here? This is about nurses and the profession of nursing--our careers, patient safety, the nursing experience, etc.
  4. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from AdventureRN
    Steph...

    Your need to defend Arnold or spin what he said or to whom he directed it is beyond my understanding, but do what you must. For those of us who have read and reread the original article (post #1), paying attention not only to his words, but the context and tone in which they were delivered, we see it differently. Kindly allow us to state our opinions. You've certainly done the same over and over.

    Attacking environmentalists as "looney" is not only off topic but inappropriate in a forum such as this. You can certainly tout and fund all of the anti-environmental, pro-gun, pro-conservative causes you wish, but why bring it here? This is about nurses and the profession of nursing--our careers, patient safety, the nursing experience, etc.

    I brought it up because you mentioned it first:

    **"Special" interests are just that..."special." Not general, not majority. Now, "special" isn't inherently evil--we certainly need advocates for some special interest groups, such as those with disabilities or the elderly. But I certainly don't lump those conscienable ones together with those who lobby for corporate interest at the expense of the individual, or gun rights at the expense of public safety, pharmaceutical companies' profits at the expense of the elderly, or, in this case, large and profitable hospital systems at the expense of the vulnerable patient and the overburdened bedside nurse***



    And I'm not defending Arnold in any way except to say that I have read the OP too and have concluded that he is talking about a specific group of people. Not all nurses.

    I have never done anything unkind to keep you from stating your opinions. I'm replying to others posts. Are we who do not agree not allowed to do that?

    I never said ALL ENVIRONMENTALISTS are looney . . I specified the looney left. The ones who spike trees and put my husband in danger. The ones who set fire to logging equipment and put a huge financial burden on small logging operations who can't afford to just buy all new equipment.

    This is what sticks in my craw . .and why I keep talking about what the OP said .. . . people taking out of context others comments . .as you did mine.

    Again, I simply responded to your comments when I wrote my "off-topic" comments . . . and I never specified all environmentalists are looney.


    Thanks.

    steph
  5. by   judymai
    Quote from AdventureRN
    Steph...

    Your need to defend Arnold or spin what he said or to whom he directed it is beyond my understanding, but do what you must. For those of us who have read and reread the original article (post #1), paying attention not only to his words, but the context and tone in which they were delivered, we see it differently. Kindly allow us to state our opinions. You've certainly done the same over and over.

    Attacking environmentalists as "looney" is not only off topic but inappropriate in a forum such as this. You can certainly tout and fund all of the anti-environmental, pro-gun, pro-conservative causes you wish, but why bring it here? This is about nurses and the profession of nursing--our careers, patient safety, the nursing experience, etc.
    I neither support nor denounce the governor of California. This would be true no matter who he (or she) was since I don't live in CA have no right to second guess the citizens of the state who put the governor in office.

    I would, however, like to think that nurses are not so self-interested and biased that they feel the need to attack someone (another nurse no less) who disagrees. To be fair to Steph, those on the other side of this argument certainly haven't kept it on topic; in fact they have gone far over the edge (IMHO) in their personal attacks of the governor I'd like to know why its OK for them to focus on issues not specific to the original article (to make a point), but not OK for someone who sees it from a different angle.

    I must admit that I often "watch" topics on this board and rarely enter the conversations. I have found this thread to be more devisive of nursing than most. I understand the passion of the posters of both sides, but fail to see how attacking someone with a different viewpoint is helpful. In fact, I find it sad and petty.
  6. by   begalli
    Quote from fergus51
    I don't think Ahnold's attitude towards nurses is clear from that one quote, but his actions are pretty telling. Someone who respects and values nurses (not CNA members) would not trash lift teams and patient ratios or try to disolve the BON and say people could be trained to monitor both auto mechanics and nurses. How can anyone do these things if they respect nurses?
    And it's not only this, it's that he thought he was above the law. The "emergency order" was illegal. And why did he do it? It wasn't for the good of nurses, that's for sure. Arnold does a lot of things because Arnold wants to. He's dangerous.

    Arnold is sexist, pure and simple. Have were heard any name calling out of him in regard to the firefighters who have now joined the CNA protesters?

    Whatcha wanna bet that now that the firefighters have joined, there will be no more name-calling as long as they are around?
  7. by   begalli
    Quote from stevielynn
    The ones who spike trees and put my husband in danger.
    They're not only looney, but stupid too.
  8. by   AdventureRN
    Steph,

    Your statements stand on their own. The "looney left environmentalists" were your own words, not mine. My comment about special interest groups was simply in response to your assertion that "not all special interest groups are evil," which, if you'll recall, I agreed on. The voiceless and powerless in our country benefit from organizations which lobby on their behalf.

    As a Californian, you may support Arnold's efforts at eliminating, postponing, stalling, or rethinking nurse to patient ratios--certainly this is your right. However, I invite you to practice nursing in the state of Illinois. On any given shift, you may have 10 to 14 patients to care for on your own. This includes patients with drains, telemetry, PCA pumps, disorientation, activity needs, physiologic decompensation, psychosocial needs, etc. Or, you might find yourself with a full handful of ventilated IMC patients--patients who, without doubt, would have been classified as ICU in their needs a few years ago. I'm sure it's even worse in other places. Many, many competent and experienced nurses are leaving the bedside for these reasons--in droves. Read your trade journals. I believe we owe those in our profession who have chosen to stay, as well as the patients themselves, our support.

    The California Nurses Association has the balls to fight the good fight. They might be considered "set dressing" during their protests, and it might not be pretty, but nor is the practice of nursing in many states.
  9. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from quilter
    I neither support nor denounce the governor of California. This would be true no matter who he (or she) was since I don't live in CA have no right to second guess the citizens of the state who put the governor in office.

    I would, however, like to think that nurses are not so self-interested and biased that they feel the need to attack someone (another nurse no less) who disagrees. To be fair to Steph, those on the other side of this argument certainly haven't kept it on topic; in fact they have gone far over the edge (IMHO) in their personal attacks of the governor I'd like to know why its OK for them to focus on issues not specific to the original article (to make a point), but not OK for someone who sees it from a different angle.

    I must admit that I often "watch" topics on this board and rarely enter the conversations. I have found this thread to be more devisive of nursing than most. I understand the passion of the posters of both sides, but fail to see how attacking someone with a different viewpoint is helpful. In fact, I find it sad and petty.
    Thanks. I appreciate your words.

    I've never said I didn't enjoy working 1:6. I don't begrudge nurses who want to join unions - I just choose not to.

    The title of this thread is SCHWARZENEGGER SAYS NURSES ARE "SET DRESSING" - no he didn't - My only point is that when this thread started I noticed that people were taking Arnold's comments in the article out of context. That bugs me. It must bug others because even though we are in the minority, others have agreed with at least this point.

    And I'll stand by my comment regarding the "looney left" environmentalists who spike trees and put my husband and other loggers in danger. Just as I think the "looney right" folks who bomb abortion clinics are wrong and dangerous. And that I was merely responding to another person's comments when I used those as examples.

    Sometimes things can get a little heated here but for the most part this is a good bulletin board so keep posting quilter.

    steph
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Mar 14, '05
  10. by   FrumDoula
    My husband said that he remembers a bunch of trauma surgeons walking out of a Las Vegas hospital in protest over the costs of malpractice insurance. The hospital had to fly all the trauma cases out of state. It was not pretty. But I'll tell you what. Their state legislature called an emergency session and passed a bill in support of the docs and overly litigious patients.

    Wonder how much controversy within their own ranks there was. Docs seem to band together better .....

    Alison
  11. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from FrumDoula
    My husband said that he remembers a bunch of trauma surgeons walking out of a Las Vegas hospital in protest over the costs of malpractice insurance. The hospital had to fly all the trauma cases out of state. It was not pretty. But I'll tell you what. Their state legislature called an emergency session and passed a bill in support of the docs and overly litigious patients.

    Wonder how much controversy within their own ranks there was. Docs seem to band together better .....

    Alison
    That is an interesting point . . . I know our docs run the gamut of political persuasians, which makes being at the nurse's station in the morning during rounds verrrry interesting.

    Ah, litigation . . now that is a whole other can of worms.


    steph
  12. by   FranEMTnurse
    Quote from stevielynn
    Also to Fran . . . there are just as many special interests with big money on the other side trying to influence politics for their benefit. It isn't just big evil rich Republicans.

    And I don't think there is anything wrong with organizing and making your points known to politicians. Special interests are not necessarily a bad thing.

    steph
    I agree with you, Steph. That's why I mentioned he was married to a Kennedy, a well-known very wealthy family of Democrats. I was targeting all people who are in Schwartzenegger's category. IMHO, he should never have been elected.
  13. by   NYCRN05
    Let's see who is going to clean Mr. Gov's behind when he is old and gray and the effects of the steroids have set in!!!!!! :chuckle

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