Schwarzenegger Says Nurses are "Set Dressing" - page 12

And the hits just keep on coming ... :uhoh21: According to the Sacramento Bee, Gov. Schwarzenegger had this to say about protesting nurses in California: "They are becoming now more and more... Read More

  1. by   PMHNP10
    Quote from jhawkin1
    CNA is only making the profession look bad.
    HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....Let me think about this comment for a second...........

    Nope, I've decided that I'm still thankful to the CNA for acting unprofessionally to improve patient, staff and license safety.


    Quote from jhawkin1
    There are more civilized ways to achieve your goal.
    Let's think about this one.................hmmmmmmmm....

    Nursing has been a profession for how long? Now let's look at today's nurse and the profession as a whole...one-third of all nurses are not working in hospitals because of ratios, treatment by others, and assorted other poor working conditions; nurses are leaving nursing as quickly as they are coming into the profession. And in proportion to the number of future patients due to the aging of the baby boomers, things aren't going to get any better any time soon.

    So let's see. The CNA has sent out petitions, written letters to elected officials, lobbied, greased palms or whatever they had to do to try to accomplish a few really really great things for nurses. A Hollywood actor comes along and in one fell swoop, does whatever he can to destroy what they have worked towards for so many years. In response, the CNA intensifies their battle; and make no mistake about it...these nurses are in a fight. Think about that. They are fighting so every nurse who works in a hospital across this great land can work in a safer environment. This isn't just a California thing. CA is poineering the way. This is nationwide. The CNA is fighting to set the standard for how nursing should be. They are battling it out to improve the chances of survival for every patient who steps into an ER, and that includes me, you, your family, my family and everyone else. How anyone can question their tactics is beyone me...it perplexes me. Especially given the lack of success in improving working conditions for nurses in the past. So if they have to fight fire with fire to protect me, my family, my friends, my license, so be it.

    In case I haven't made myself clear...for many many years, the nursing profession has managed to deteriorate, and continues to do so rapidly. Please tell me: Where are the improvements in nursing; how has behaving in a manner you might deem professional stopped or even improved the horrible working conditions that exist? Yes, there have been multiple improvements in technology and medicine, but I challenge anyone to name an improvement in nursing that has occurred over the past 20, 30, 40, 50, 100 years. I'd love to hear them.

    So as far as I'm concerned, the CNA can resort to acting like raving lunatics if it improves patient care and patient care outcomes. If successful, every person living in the USA owes them an ever-grateful thank you. If not, then I still thank them, because at least they tried and that's more than can be said about many of the people in this profession for the past century.
    Last edit by PMHNP10 on Mar 4, '05
  2. by   PMHNP10
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    Fergus, I too wait for some specifics on how we can accomplish our goals more "professionally".

    You won't get any specifics that will work because history has shown that they don't work. Research has shown they don't work. I think the people who are offended by the CNA's tactics don't actually have a better resolution to improve nursing. In my opinion they are perfectly happy with the status quo. Admittedly in a very concrete and fatalistic point of view, when you have fewer nurses + more patients, that ='s more deaths, which perpetuates fewer nurse, which perpetuates more deaths, and eventually by natural selection, the problem of the nursing shortage has resolved itself. While some might not like my statement, isn't this the logical progression of things, doesn't this appear to be the direction health care is heading? Please someone redirect my though process on this one, because I don't like it.
  3. by   Fgr8Out
    Quote from NGACRNA
    [ Schwarzenegger himself is dismissive of the protesters who are becoming a regular part of his political road show.

    "They are becoming now more and more part of the set dressing," he said in an interview this week. "It's kind of like the extras when you do a movie and you need extras in the background. That's what they've become. That's fine with me."]

    Hmmm, sounds like he's referring to those nurses from the CNA that continue to "storm" his speaking engagements, NOT all nurses. He is "dismissive of the protesters", NOT all nurses.

    We, as nurses, need to consider what is good for the whole country, not just our little piece of it. If you want socialized medicine, please leave this country (and take Alec Baldwin and Cher and Babs with you).

    I am now ready to receive a mountain of criticism because I'm:
    1. Not in California
    2. A CRNA

    But let's keep it civilized, shall we?
    I too, read the opening for the original to this post as if Schwarzenegger were saying "nurses" were the "set dressing". Of course, after reading the entire piece it became apparent that the Governor was referring to the protesters, not nurses in general.

    I'm not voicing an opinion one way or the other as far as what goes on in California. I just wanted to comment that if we wish to appear knowledgeable, well spoken and truly well informed on a subject and an individual, then we need to pay attention to what is really being said and avoid at all costs such "knee-jerk" reactions as some of those posted here.
  4. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from psychrn03
    In case I haven't made myself clear...for many many years, the nursing profession has managed to deteriorate, and continues to do so rapidly. Please tell me: Where are the improvements in nursing; how has behaving in a manner you might deem professional stopped or even improved the horrible working conditions that exist? Yes, there have been multiple improvements in technology and medicine, but I challenge anyone to name an improvement in nursing that has occurred over the past 20, 30, 40, 50, 100 years. I'd love to hear them.
    Quote from psychrn03
    You won't get any specifics that will work because history has shown that they don't work. Research has shown they don't work. I think the people who are offended by the CNA's tactics don't actually have a better resolution to improve nursing.
    :yeahthat:
  5. by   grimmy
    Quote from smk1
    these were my initial thoughts as well, and no one seems to question the true professionalism of engineers, pilots and journalists. this is interesting to me.
    [font=book antiqua]
    there are quite a few baccalaureate or master's professions that refuse union affiliation, and they are people we work with every day: physical therapists, pharmacists, social workers, psychologists, teachers, attorneys, etc. etc. the list goes on and on. i am neither for nor against unions per se. my fervent wish is that nurses could come together to support one another in seeing our standards for education rise, and not browbeat one another, especially when some megalomaniac-millionaire politician is doing a good job at that already. feel the love, my fellow nurses, and support one another.
  6. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Fgr8Out
    I too, read the opening for the original to this post as if Schwarzenegger were saying "nurses" were the "set dressing". Of course, after reading the entire piece it became apparent that the Governor was referring to the protesters, not nurses in general.

    I'm not voicing an opinion one way or the other as far as what goes on in California. I just wanted to comment that if we wish to appear knowledgeable, well spoken and truly well informed on a subject and an individual, then we need to pay attention to what is really being said and avoid at all costs such "knee-jerk" reactions as some of those posted here.
    Whew . . . . thought I was walking all alone here. Thanks.

    steph
  7. by   kathi yudin
    there are other ways to get what is needed.. intimidation is not it.. i will not join cna.. i am not behind cna.. there IS a nursing shortage.. the ratio's won't work until we get more nurses into solve the issue..




    Quote from markbeast
    Am I the only one who thinks the way CNA is conducted itself is making nurses out to look like a group of wanna-be professionals? Storming Press conferences? Attacking public figures at random events? Spending a fortune on smear advertising.

    This whole thing is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Isn't there a better way to get the point across than to act like hooligans? Where is the negotiation? Where is the discussion. We have completely severed ties with the leader of our state.

    CNA you do not have my support to conduct yourself the way you have been acting, and I know I am not alone. Your issue is right, your tactics are wrong. Stop using intimidation tactics. They are not working and they are losing us respect.
  8. by   KarafromPhilly
    Amazing posts, psychrn03. I totally agree.
  9. by   wannabemw
    Quote from NGACRNA
    [Schwarzenegger himself is dismissive of the protesters who are becoming a regular part of his political road show.

    "They are becoming now more and more part of the set dressing," he said in an interview this week. "It's kind of like the extras when you do a movie and you need extras in the background. That's what they've become. That's fine with me."]

    Hmmm, sounds like he's referring to those nurses from the CNA that continue to "storm" his speaking engagements, NOT all nurses. He is "dismissive of the protesters", NOT nurses.

    We, as nurses, need to consider what is good for the whole country, not just our little piece of it. If you want socialized medicine, please leave this country (and take Alec Baldwin and Cher and Babs with you). THANK YOU! (but hasn't Alec actually become supportive of Bush this term?) (Oh, & u forgot Dustin, Susan and Sean BTW, lol)

    I am now ready to receive a mountain of criticism because I'm:
    1. Not in California
    2. A CRNA

    But let's keep it civilized, shall we?
    BRAVO! I was scrolling down this list hoping to see that SOMEONE had THROUGHLY read the article...and I am originally from CA and plan to return their one day to live and work. I can see why everyone is upset, but do feel that the protesting is out of hand. I applaud the efforts of CNA, but do not understand why they feel they must constantly harrass this man. Yeah, he has pissed people off (as did our mayor 4 days ago w/a stupid remark) and he will continue to do so throughout his term. It is the way of politics. I am sure he understands the importance of nurses, as he has been hospitalized several times. But, as a nurse can you honestly say that you would not treat him fairly if he were in your hospital? Does your oath mean nothing? We don't always get to pick and chose who our patients are. Interesting topic, this subject! Guess now I'll get some flak!
  10. by   wannabemw
    Quote from jaimealmostRN
    Hmmm, sounds like he's referring to those nurses from the CNA that continue to "storm" his speaking engagements, NOT all nurses. He is "dismissive of the protesters", NOT all nurses.


    These protesters or "hooligans" ( :angryfire ) are fighting for US and patients in California, not just to annoy everyone around them. Like another poster stated, being quiet and lady (gentleman)-like has gotten us nowhere. And when this "governator" is dissmissive of the protesters, he is being dissmissive of YOU, saying your job doesn't matter, YOU are set-dressing, YOUR ability to provide safe care to patients isn't important enough to his agenda. Make no mistake, his off-color comments are directed at an entire profession, which he sees as unimportant, not just an outspoken group of protesters. Worst of all he is basically telling his constituants (sp) that their health and safety within California's health care systems is not worth his time.
    It sounds as if you are reading too much into his comment... I could be wrong...
  11. by   tridil2000
    We, as nurses, need to consider what is good for the whole country, not just our little piece of it. If you want socialized medicine, please leave this country (and take Alec Baldwin and Cher and Babs with you).

    please visit your local er.

    we already have socialized medicine, **we** just don't call it that....

    shhhhhh....
  12. by   wannabemw
    Quote from tridil2000
    We, as nurses, need to consider what is good for the whole country, not just our little piece of it. If you want socialized medicine, please leave this country (and take Alec Baldwin and Cher and Babs with you).

    please visit your local er.

    we already have socialized medicine, **we** just don't call it that....

    shhhhhh....
    LMAOROTF!!!!

    :roll :chuckle That deserves a quad smile!
  13. by   jtfreel
    There are some truths in what he says:

    He did not call professional nurses set dressing, he said that the group representing the CNA has become set dressing at his public gatherings.

    If the CNA is acting like the Teamster's Union, they should not object to being described as such. If they are truly interested in patient care, then why are their counterattacks personal?

    My fear is in that igniting an emotional reaction against GOV Schwarzenegger among its membership, that the position of professional nursing loses some of its professionalism. This tactic, to me, is a political maneuver.

    There are other truths: we are fragmented as a profession with no unified assosciation to represent professional nursing concerns. Many people believe that only the powerless need unionization. If nursing is a profession, for many, the need then to unionize conflicts with that image.

    I also believe that we, as the profession, have given away much of our influence and power for well meant though misguided reasons over the years and that nursing administration and nursing academics have played equally important roles in this process.

    I also believe that nursing is incredibly important to the healthcare of this nation and that, as a profession, we are a vital force in this process and could (if we got our act together) be a powerful collaborative influence.
    Last edit by jtfreel on Mar 5, '05

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