Schwarzenegger Drops Legal Fight Over Nursing Staff Ratios - page 3

...Schwarzenegger's office and Attorney General Bill Lockyer's spokesman had no immediate comment. But a spokeswoman for the state Health Department, Sabrina Demayo Lockhart, said that in the 10... Read More

  1. by   TEXAS_onc_RN
    I do not deny that the job I do deserves a good rate of pay and that I would not put up with the stress and responsibility I have without earning a good living. But I don't need a union which spends my money on political campaigns and liberal agendas against my wishes in order to obtain the rate of pay I enjoy. The amount of money I earn as compared to my cost of living is much higher than it would be if I worked and lived in Ca. For those in the bay area, that means that I have more disposable income here in texas than I would if I lived in Ca.
    Envy. hahahahahahah Yeah I envy people that live near and work with others that are on a whole the rudest most selfish group of people I have ever known.
    I have lived in; Texas, California, Illinois, Florida, Idaho, and Hawaii. California definately rates the lowest on that list of six. So no, envy isn't the operative word.
  2. by   Sheri257
    Quote from TEXAS_onc_RN
    But I don't need a union which spends my money on political campaigns and liberal agendas against my wishes in order to obtain the rate of pay I enjoy.
    Neither do 80 percent of the nurses who work in California. You make it sound like unions have a stranglehold on California RN's but that's simply not the case. You don't have to belong to a union to work as an RN in California ... and the vast majority of RN's don't.

    Quote from TEXAS_onc_RN
    The amount of money I earn as compared to my cost of living is much higher than it would be if I worked and lived in Ca. For those in the bay area, that means that I have more disposable income here in texas than I would if I lived in Ca.
    I don't know why you keep bringing up the cost of living but ... not all of us live in the Bay Area, and not all of us paid $500,000 for a box either. I bought my house for cheap and it's tripled in value. For those of us who bought our homes before the housing boom, the higher cost of living has actually been a tremendous benefit. I like having a house with a ton of equity. And my cost of living isn't high because my mortgage payment is very low.

    Quote from TEXAS_onc_RN
    Envy. hahahahahahah Yeah I envy people that live near and work with others that are on a whole the rudest most selfish group of people I have ever known.
    I have lived in; Texas, California, Illinois, Florida, Idaho, and Hawaii. California definately rates the lowest on that list of six. So no, envy isn't the operative word.
    This is absurd. You think Californians have cornered the market on rude and selfish? C'mon. I've lived in Texas and other states in the south and the east coast ... there's plenty of rude and selfish to go around in Texas and all states. This is ridiculous.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Nov 28, '05
  3. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from TEXAS_onc_RN
    I do not deny that the job I do deserves a good rate of pay and that I would not put up with the stress and responsibility I have without earning a good living. But I don't need a union which spends my money on political campaigns and liberal agendas against my wishes in order to obtain the rate of pay I enjoy. The amount of money I earn as compared to my cost of living is much higher than it would be if I worked and lived in Ca. For those in the bay area, that means that I have more disposable income here in texas than I would if I lived in Ca.
    Envy. hahahahahahah Yeah I envy people that live near and work with others that are on a whole the rudest most selfish group of people I have ever known.
    I have lived in; Texas, California, Illinois, Florida, Idaho, and Hawaii. California definately rates the lowest on that list of six. So no, envy isn't the operative word.
    '

    You seem to have your own agenda, here; in which case, you really ought to start a new thread. Just as a reminder, this is a thread about nursing ratios. Not the cost of living, not unions and political spending (although lizz is right, you are woefully misinformed about our unions in general, and Prop 75 in particular) and not how rude Californians are (a rather odd accusation to be coming from someone who keeps slamming an entire state full of people!!!)
    Last edit by mercyteapot on Nov 28, '05
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Making generalizations about a group of people (in this case, the People of California) is NO way to make a clear point in a debate. I would ask you refrain from personal attacks in debating hot issues like unionization (or not) and the California Ratio Law. Refer to Terms of Service, in case you need clarification.



    Thank you for understanding.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Also, this is not a union debate thread.....the subject is California ratio law.
  6. by   fergus51
    Reading some of the posts on these threads you'd think that all California nurses or union nurses do is go on strike and fight for "liberal" causes. I've never been on strike despite working union jobs for years. Most nurses here don't even belong to a union. Those that do don't have to allow their dues to go for political activities they don't believe in.

    Personally, I can't even tell you how happy I am with my decision to move to California. It was a little scary and I originally only planned on staying a year or so, but now it's been a year and a half and I think I'll stay another 3 or 4. I like the working conditions, the pay is good, the job opportunities are plentiful, the weather is great and there is just so much to do here! I'm proud of CNA for standing up for nurses, because no matter what anyone else says the bottom line is no other group of nurses have accomplished what they have. CNA will be around long after the governator, helping to make California's hospitals safe.
  7. by   wincha
    Quote from MissPiggy
    This statement is so typical of the Texas nurses' mentality though... that is why there are no unions in Tx... this geniuses don't mind being taken advantage of by administrators who are also only out for the $.
    :chuckle
    mentality?? I don't live in Texas however I do not believe in unions also. The food service union "tried" to get a union at our hospital and lost. The only nurses for the union were icu nurses. Our hospital does listen to us at our hospital. They tried to keep anyone who would vote against the union(the union did) from voting. So not all RN's are for the union. I consider myself a professional and not a blue color worker. I would cross a picket line in an instant also.
  8. by   wincha
    Quote from lizz

    I don't know why you keep bringing up the cost of living but ... not all of us live in the Bay Area, and not all of us paid $500,000 for a box either. I bought my house for cheap and it's tripled in value. For those of us who bought our homes before the housing boom, the higher cost of living has actually been a tremendous benefit. I like having a house with a ton of equity. And my cost of living isn't high because my mortgage payment is very low.

    my cost of my home has more than doubled and i live in the MW with a great cost of living, no unions at my hospital and the union at one hospital still has a high patient ratio and no more money than i make. great place to raise a family also. h
  9. by   Sheri257
    Quote from wincha
    mentality?? I don't live in Texas however I do not believe in unions also. The food service union "tried" to get a union at our hospital and lost. The only nurses for the union were icu nurses. Our hospital does listen to us at our hospital. They tried to keep anyone who would vote against the union(the union did) from voting. So not all RN's are for the union. I consider myself a professional and not a blue color worker. I would cross a picket line in an instant also.
    I respect people's right to oppose unions, but I don't always understand it. According to the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics union workers made, on average, $9,000 a year more than non-union workers last year. Union RN's made $7,000 more on average than non-union RN's. This is data from the U.S. Labor Dept. So ... people are often just shooting themselves in the foot when they oppose unions. But, if that's the way they want it ... so be it. I hope the lower pay check is worth it.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Dec 7, '05
  10. by   yellowroses525
    When are we (NURSES) going to stick together and agree to disagree on some things and really try to find some workable solutions to our dillema. As a nurse that floats I have come to know many nurses from all different walks of life with as many different viewpoints and what I dont understand is why we are fighting against each other instead of joining together and fighting what is keeping us down. I have worked for unionized and non union facilities and I have seen not to much of a difference in pros and cons for each. We are all in this for many different reasons and if you think about it if all of us stood together we would be a force to be reckoned with and then maybe we could actually make some changes that would benefit the patient and us. Nobody knows what we know nobody goes through what we go through day to day yet I see us fighting against each other and I just dont understand why we do it when I think now is the time more than ever when we should acutally stick closer together.
  11. by   MissPiggy
    Quote from wincha
    mentality?? I don't live in Texas however I do not believe in unions also. The food service union "tried" to get a union at our hospital and lost. The only nurses for the union were icu nurses. Our hospital does listen to us at our hospital. They tried to keep anyone who would vote against the union(the union did) from voting. So not all RN's are for the union. I consider myself a professional and not a blue color worker. I would cross a picket line in an instant also.
    Let me explain where I am coming from; in one of my past jobs we were told outright that if any employee was heard even mentioning the word "union" it would be an automatic dismissal. Would you want to put up with THAT? I sure don't, but apparently that is SOP here in Texas. We all have a right to make our own decisions; NOT be told what or how to think!
  12. by   Sheri257
    Quote from MissPiggy
    Let me explain where I am coming from; in one of my past jobs we were told outright that if any employee was heard even mentioning the word "union" it would be an automatic dismissal. Would you want to put up with THAT? I sure don't, but apparently that is SOP here in Texas. We all have a right to make our own decisions; NOT be told what or how to think!
    Geez ... that sounds like it might be illegal. We just had a case in California where a judge ruled that management could not restrict employees from discussing the union. This was an a union facility but still ... I wonder if any employer can get away with that.

    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005...1505185425.txt

  13. by   wonderbee
    ... not from california, in california or anywhere near california nor am I all that political and forgetting Arnold and however one feels about unions, it seems to me on its face that this is a victory for patients and nurses. We have no unions in Florida and staffing of 1:8 is unfortunately all too common and none too safe for a state with the highest elderly (and sickest) population in the country.

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