Schwarzenegger Drops Legal Fight Over Nursing Staff Ratios - page 2

...Schwarzenegger's office and Attorney General Bill Lockyer's spokesman had no immediate comment. But a spokeswoman for the state Health Department, Sabrina Demayo Lockhart, said that in the 10... Read More

  1. by   dfurbee
    Arnie will appreciate the staffing ratio if he is ever a patient!!! Deb
  2. by   TEXAS_onc_RN
    [quote=obnursesteff]OH MY GOSH!!!:angryfire I HOPE THIS IS A JOKE!

    I was not joking. You unionized folks are the ones who need to answer the question about $$$. You want more money to take care of fewer patients and if you dont get your way well then you just strike. Explain how that is to the benefit of the patient in the hospital at the time of your strike. You try and sound all caring about the pt. and that the pt. is at the foremost in your mind to justify your actions. Well having been there when you have striked and witnessing the behaviour of the nurses on the street you aren't going to convince this non-unionized RN that you are right. One of altruistic nurses threw a rock at a friend of mine as we were "crossing your picket line" causing her to receive stitches in her scalp just to care for the patients that you abandoned for your $$$.
  3. by   TEXAS_onc_RN
    There are no unions in Texas because we have the sense enough to realize that holding the general public hostage to get our way isn't what is best for our profession.
    let me ask this question to you, and anyone else that feels they can answer it.
    Why would you reject a proposal to allow nurses that don't want their union dues spent one way from being able to pull their $$ from that cause. I thought all of you democrats were pro-choice. Why did you take that choice away from the people in your group.
  4. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from TEXAS_onc_RN
    There are no unions in Texas because we have the sense enough to realize that holding the general public hostage to get our way isn't what is best for our profession.
    let me ask this question to you, and anyone else that feels they can answer it.
    Why would you reject a proposal to allow nurses that don't want their union dues spent one way from being able to pull their $$ from that cause. I thought all of you democrats were pro-choice. Why did you take that choice away from the people in your group.
    In the first place, "all" Democrats don't agree on most things. In the second, the term pro-choice is most typically used in connection with the abortion debate. I've never heard it used to apply to the union dues debate. At any rate, it is simply untrue that all Democrats feel one way or the other about either debate, so your question really can't be answered.
  5. by   outinbfe11
    [QUOTE=TEXAS_onc_RN]
    Quote from obnursesteff
    OH MY GOSH!!!:angryfire I HOPE THIS IS A JOKE!

    I was not joking. You unionized folks are the ones who need to answer the question about $$$. You want more money to take care of fewer patients and if you dont get your way well then you just strike. Explain how that is to the benefit of the patient in the hospital at the time of your strike. You try and sound all caring about the pt. and that the pt. is at the foremost in your mind to justify your actions. Well having been there when you have striked and witnessing the behaviour of the nurses on the street you aren't going to convince this non-unionized RN that you are right. One of altruistic nurses threw a rock at a friend of mine as we were "crossing your picket line" causing her to receive stitches in her scalp just to care for the patients that you abandoned for your $$$.
  6. by   outinbfe11
    I totally agree with you on this matter. I have received numerous phone calls from agencies asking me and my wife to come to California to work since the nurses there seem to want to strike all too often. When is it going to be the patient's turn for the help they deserve. Since the nursing unions in California seem to spend all too much time trying to get more money for less work/patients, when will the healthcare improve instead of the thickness of their wallets.
  7. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from outinbfe11
    I totally agree with you on this matter. I have received numerous phone calls from agencies asking me and my wife to come to California to work since the nurses there seem to want to strike all too often. When is it going to be the patient's turn for the help they deserve. Since the nursing unions in California seem to spend all too much time trying to get more money for less work/patients, when will the healthcare improve instead of the thickness of their wallets.
    Right. You're not from our state, you're not in our union, and yet you have all the facts necessary to malign the quality of our healthcare system and the integrity of our unions. Guess I better just consider the source, here...
  8. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from TEXAS_onc_RN

    I was not joking. You unionized folks are the ones who need to answer the question about $$$. You want more money to take care of fewer patients and if you dont get your way well then you just strike. Explain how that is to the benefit of the patient in the hospital at the time of your strike. You try and sound all caring about the pt. and that the pt. is at the foremost in your mind to justify your actions. Well having been there when you have striked and witnessing the behaviour of the nurses on the street you aren't going to convince this non-unionized RN that you are right. One of altruistic nurses threw a rock at a friend of mine as we were "crossing your picket line" causing her to receive stitches in her scalp just to care for the patients that you abandoned for your $$$.
    quote=TEXAS_onc_RN I love that Ca. nurses are unionized. Each time one of your cities goes on strike, I am able to come out there and get paid a lot of money to work to cover your shifts. I am planning a 14 day Hawaiian cruise next year, hopefully somebody out there will strike and I'll be able to make enough to really enjoy all of the "cruise experiences".
    ??????? I thought this thread was about the first safe staffing law.
  9. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from spacenurse
    ??????? I thought this thread was about the first safe staffing law.
    Apparently, it is now the let's trash California nurses thread...
  10. by   Sheri257
    Quote from TEXAS_onc_RN
    Why would you reject a proposal to allow nurses that don't want their union dues spent one way from being able to pull their $$ from that cause. I thought all of you democrats were pro-choice. Why did you take that choice away from the people in your group.
    The proposal didn't necessarily allow individual union members to pull their money away from certain causes. Under that proposition ... if a majority of members voted to oppose Schwarzenegger, and you disagreed with the majority of your colleagues, you still had to pay the dues to fight Schwarzenegger, even if you disagreed with it.

    But ... that's assuming you still paid dues to the union. The proposition, actually, wasn't really necessary. The existing system is ... as you put it ... pro-choice. You can have your dues designated to any charity of your choice, even conservative charities, and not contribute a dime to the union and their political activities.

    My problem with the proposition was that it regulated the political activities of unions only. If they had expanded this requirement to corporations and all other special interest groups then, I probably would have voted for it. But I thought it was wrong to target only unions and not corporations.

    Schwarzenegger just wanted to make it more difficult for the unions to fight him. I felt that selectively targeting only his opponents was wrong and, obviously, so did a lot of other Californians.

    If he had pushed a real political reform that applied to all special interest groups, I think there would have been a different outcome.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Nov 28, '05
  11. by   Sheri257
    Quote from mercyteapot
    Apparently, it is now the let's trash California nurses thread...
    Let them trash California nurses. The fact is ... we have ratios, they don't. And 80 percent of the nurses in this state don't belong to a union and don't have to pay union dues to benefit from it, which is why lots of RN's want to work here.

    In the end, California nurses have the last laugh.

    :chuckle
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Nov 26, '05
  12. by   Sheri257
    Quote from TEXAS_onc_RN
    I was not joking. You unionized folks are the ones who need to answer the question about $$$. You want more money to take care of fewer patients and if you dont get your way well then you just strike. Explain how that is to the benefit of the patient in the hospital at the time of your strike. You try and sound all caring about the pt. and that the pt. is at the foremost in your mind to justify your actions. Well having been there when you have striked and witnessing the behaviour of the nurses on the street you aren't going to convince this non-unionized RN that you are right. One of altruistic nurses threw a rock at a friend of mine as we were "crossing your picket line" causing her to receive stitches in her scalp just to care for the patients that you abandoned for your $$$.
    Do I like to make money? Sure. So do you. Afterall, you stated that you would like to come out to California and make a lot of money as a strike replacement worker to pay for your vacation.

    I suspect that both California and Texas nurses, as well as nurses in general, like to make more money. Nothing new there. There's plenty of greed to go around whether you're union or anti-union.

    Do union members sometimes do bad things? Sure. Does management sometimes do bad things. Of course. There's plenty of bad to go around on both sides there as well.

    But ... at the end of the day ... ratios do enhance patient safety. Mortality risk increases with each patient you have and, consequently, decreases with lower patient loads. Even the most conservative nurses usually agree with this, unless they are in management ... or working in jobs where they don't have to juggle high patient loads.

    I'm just curious as to why you feel the need to attack all of this. If things are so great in Texas ... why would you care what we do in California?

    I can't help but wonder if you wished you still lived here, instead of moving a few years ago. If you owned a house back then, it would be worth a fortune by now. And you'd be making plenty of money with better working conditions, i.e. safer staffing ratios, without ever having to belong to a union.

    Maybe this is a case of California dreamin' ... or, rather, California envy.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Nov 26, '05
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