School Nurse Sues Over Being Fired For Taking Student for Pregnancy Test And Abortifa - page 8

BANGOR, Maine, May 4, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - School Administrative District 27, Portland Maine, is fighting a lawsuit brought by a former school nurse. Lola Charette was fired for taking one of... Read More

  1. by   mommatrauma
    Quote from mtymom
    Gosh people, think about it. Isn't that like kidnapping? Kidnapping is against the law. She is lucky the parents didn't press charges. I certainly would have. She should NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES take a child (minor) off of school grounds without the parents permission. If she were an emancipated minor I think the school would have known that. The nurse deserved to be fired. Would you want a kidnapper working at your child's school? I wouldn't and that is exactly what that was is kidnapping. :angryfire
    Its not kidnapping...the girls went to the nurse and asked her to help them...there was never any taking anyone anywhere against their will...
  2. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    just how often was this nsg willing to take students off of the campus? abortion issues aside....was this going to turn into a regular thing? the word gets out among the teenagers that nsg so 'n so's willing to take us to the clinic for ____________(you fill in the blanks).

    for me, the issue is safety & the fact that the nsg acted in an official capacity....making the school board just as responsible should something bad had of happened....period.

    as stated on a prior post....the nsg's responsibility stopped at giving students/patients reading materials, referrals for counseling, emotional support, etc. she crossed the line in signing them out & physically taking them anywhere!!! and don't give me that crap about the school board not having any leg to stand on legally because this policy wasn't written! in any court of law...verbal agreement/policies stand-up...especially if said agreements/polices were recognized & practiced by the general school board personnel.

    cheers,
    moe
  3. by   mattsmom81
    I grew up in a smaller community where it would not have been unusual for teachers to drive a kid home after school, give rides to a game, etc. I know things are different today...much different. But I am open to the idea there may still be communities where it may be standard acceptable community practice for teachers (and school nurses) to offer rides.

    If it has been commonplace for teachers to do this type thing in the past without reprimand or reference to 'unwritten policy, then this nurse MAY have a leg to stand on....her attorney may have a chance to vindicate her. We shall see how this all pans out. I still feel her heart was likely in the right place, (protecting her patient's rights, comforting a distraught child by her presence and support).

    I cannot count how many times as a nurse that written policy was never followed in 'real life', so I can see how an unwritten policy could be ignored as well if its been the norm to do so.

    I sincerely hope that this nurse was not using this situation to promote her own pro-abortion views; that would trouble me. Maybe this is what troubles the community as well.
  4. by   Jeanine
    She did not follow the standard of practice for her job, therefore she should be fired. This issue is very cut and dried from the viewpoint of someone in School Nursing, read the care plans. Would you take a patient out of the ER, in a hospital vehicle, during your shift, because your hospital does not supply the morning-after pill but she wanted it? I don't think so! What's the difference?
  5. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from Jeanine
    She did not follow the standard of practice for her job, therefore she should be fired. This issue is very cut and dried from the viewpoint of someone in School Nursing, read the care plans. Would you take a patient out of the ER, in a hospital vehicle, during your shift, because your hospital does not supply the morning-after pill but she wanted it? I don't think so! What's the difference?
    I respect your opinion, but I disagree. The difference is that the transporting of students off school grounds by a school nurse was not (written by policy) prohibited. Unlike my hospital, which has a written policy in place.

    Her "standard of practice" for her job does not seem to be the issue here. It was said by the school district lawyer, that the nurse "exercised poor judgment in taking the girls off-campus." Besides, if it was a "standard of care" issue, would that not have been decided by the BON?

    Hewey, the district's lawyer, insists that Charette's misjudgment was leaving school grounds without permission, not the controversial nature of the trip. She acknowledged the school had no written policy about off-campus medical appointments but said it was a well-established rule.
    Since I have already stated my (very unpopular, it seems) opinion to a couple of posters in a couple of different ways, I hope you can respect my opinion and understand that constantly repeating my position is getting tiresome both for me and for the reader.

    Again, I'll have to assume that that Legal-Eagles will run with it from here. Will this nurse be reinstated to her job of 20 years?? (Would she really want to be?)

    Stay tuned.
  6. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from skm-nursiepooh
    just how often was this nsg willing to take students off of the campus? abortion issues aside....was this going to turn into a regular thing? the word gets out among the teenagers that nsg so 'n so's willing to take us to the clinic for ____________(you fill in the blanks).

    for me, the issue is safety & the fact that the nsg acted in an official capacity....making the school board just as responsible should something bad had of happened....period.

    as stated on a prior post....the nsg's responsibility stopped at giving students/patients reading materials, referrals for counseling, emotional support, etc. she crossed the line in signing them out & physically taking them anywhere!!! and don't give me that crap about the school board not having any leg to stand on legally because this policy wasn't written! in any court of law...verbal agreement/policies stand-up...especially if said agreements/polices were recognized & practiced by the general school board personnel.

    cheers,
    moe
    moe - i completely agree . . . especially your last sentence.

    jeanine - your point about the er is a good one.

    steph
  7. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    As stated on a prior post....the nsg's responsibility STOPPED at giving students/patients reading materials, referrals for counseling, emotional support, etc. She crossed the line in signing them out & physically taking them ANYWHERE!!!
    EXACTLY
  8. by   Jeanine
    Quote from Angie O'Plasty, RN
    Her "standard of practice" for her job does not seem to be the issue here. It was said by the school district lawyer, that the nurse "exercised poor judgment in taking the girls off-campus." Besides, if it was a "standard of care" issue, would that not have been decided by the BON?:
    I think the BON should consider getting involved. It's poor judgments, like the one that this school nurse made, that contribute to the disrespect and bad name that school nurse's have to defend on a daily basis! Unfortunately, it only takes one bad decision, and all of the good work that one has done in the past is quickly forgotten. We, as conscientious nurses, have to think about that constantly. By the way, I am pro choice, so we don't disagree from that point of view. I have done my share of counseling young women in school who think they might be pregnant, and have never even considered doing what this nurse did.
  9. by   OC_An Khe
    Angie O'Plasty
    I agree with you completely.
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Jeanine
    I think the BON should consider getting involved. It's poor judgments, like the one that this school nurse made, that contribute to the disrespect and bad name that school nurse's have to defend on a daily basis! Unfortunately, it only takes one bad decision, and all of the good work that one has done in the past is quickly forgotten. We, as conscientious nurses, have to think about that constantly. By the way, I am pro choice, so we don't disagree from that point of view. I have done my share of counseling young women in school who think they might be pregnant, and have never even considered doing what this nurse did.
    Your comments are why I don't think abortion has anything to do with this case . . it is simply that the nurse overstepped her bounds and I as a parent would be furious.

    steph
  11. by   smk1
    Quote from fergus51
    Moe, I went to high school in the early 90s. I know it was different, but it wasn't that different
    same here class of 94 yeah baby! :hatparty: anyway i guess it just depends on where you live. I don't think it was a good idea what this nurse did, but I somehow think the school board actually fired her because of wha they did on the "excursion" off school grounds, not for the violating an unwritten rule. Oh well , it's a good lesson learned.
  12. by   Missyb32641
    I don't know if this was mentioned yet or not but in the state of Florida, the law is that minors need parental consent to have an abortion. I think (not sure) that the nurse would have been in serious trouble. As for removing the child from school it can be regarded as kidnapping because the parents did not give consent. I think this nurse is lucky she was only fired and is not facing criminal charges.
  13. by   fergus51
    Quote from Missyb32641
    I don't know if this was mentioned yet or not but in the state of Florida, the law is that minors need parental consent to have an abortion. I think (not sure) that the nurse would have been in serious trouble. As for removing the child from school it can be regarded as kidnapping because the parents did not give consent. I think this nurse is lucky she was only fired and is not facing criminal charges.
    The girl didn't have an abortion. She took a "morning after" pill. An abortion requires that a pregnancy exist.

    I can't imagine anyone thinking they would get charged with kidnapping for giving a teenager a ride that they asked for. My dad occasionally picked me up from school and dropped off one of my friends so we wouldn't have to take the bus. As far as I know, her parents never accused him of kidnapping because they didn't know he was going to give her a ride.

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