Sapping Philippines' Health Care System - page 3

Interesting Article and Perspective: Hiring of Nurses by U.S. and U.K. Saps Philippines' Health Care System Filipinas Magazine, Investigative Report, Booma Cruz, May 17, 2004 The... Read More

  1. by   PeachPie
    I don't blame them at all for seeking a better life.

    However, both countries are losing. Nursing abroad should be an opportunity, not a dependence. I hope that both of our countries can regain their healthcare systems.
  2. by   forcep
    I think it's an every nurses dream here in the philippines to work abroad especially in the US.We believe that what we are earning here in the phillippines for one month we can have it for just a week there! And they cannot blame us (the philippine government) to leave for good just to give our family especially our children a better future an also a better chance to have a better life ahead.
  3. by   leslymill
    Quote from afhroends
    You have absolutely no right to talk to us Filipinos about national pride. If your concern is to limit the number of immigrants in this country, talk or stalk your president, your legislators for all I care. Until then, we will be legally doing what is best for ourselves and our families.
    Well, I for one am glad your mad. Here in the US we have the right to talk about anything though , so grin and hold on. At least your showing that you do have a sense of national pride. After reading the article, I wondered too. Like, "Why don't they care about their own health care system if they are health care workers?". They seem to be in this for the money. Even though your reasons go far deeper than that and I don't sense your greedy or lacking pride in being from the Philippines. The article does stress that the problem is a serious lethargy there that even doctors don't see being remedied in their lifetimes. Yes I am the offspring of immigrants that have fought from 1776 to present. My family came here for the same reasons your family came here.

    Another reason why I am glad your offended when you sense we question your national pride, is the other influx of immigrants from the South. Those immigrants are mostly illegal, openly disdainful of our laws, language and the constitution. They have bribed and coheres or representatives into abandoning us and representing them for their 12 million illegal votes that make the whole election process fraudulent and destroy the Preamble to the Constitution. Those from the South who have our blessing of liberty to ourselves and our posterity threatened, infected the general welfare, made our common defense look ridiculious, and betraying our trust. They have our government turn their heads for a few dollars when we say we are being invaded and proved to the world our constitution is a joke and our representatives represent corrupt lovers of self. Well you ARE welcome here and I just think illigal snots in our midst has tainted our view on all immigrants and maybe your ability to see our appreciation. I appreciate the Philipinoe nurses I have worked with over the past 22 years, but I worry when the article sites the pass rates of the school and the decline of the product quality in the name of profit. Remember we are health care providers and that is our focus. If we are not careful corruption could destroy us all.
  4. by   alma.ata1978
    I think health workers of every country should understand each other rather than tend to blame. I am not yet a nurse, I am planning to go to nursing school in the Philippines. My brother is a doctor and works in the USA. My sister works in a pharmacy in Canada. They work in the developed countries because the pay is better. For me, it is okay to work either in a poor country or a more developed country. My belief is that all countries, whether rich or poor must devote a bigger appropriation to social services. That means more money to build new community colleges and pay nurse teachers a more decent salary. That means more socialized coverage of medicines for people who really cannot afford rising health costs. That means more budget for preventive health care and public health care education. Many of the ailments that burden the care system can be traced to poor public awareness campaigns on malnutritious junk food that breed diabetes and cardiovascular diseases, plus the wasteful and pollutive businesses that produce the junk food and other petroleum-based disposeable amenities like plastic wrap and mountains of water bottles and hormone-laced beef and dioxins in electronic wastes.

    My personal dream is to become some kind of a community nurse, where I can be a part of a community-based health management system that supports barefoot health campaigners. I have seen some systems before in Manila where jobless moms were encouraged to be part time health educators. Of course, many would say it is hard to mobilize nonprofessionals to maintain a modicum of dedication to keep them interested in serving poor villagers like themselves, but hey, health care professionals such as nurses and doctors can try to think of another possible world of vibrant volunteer networks. I hope I can meet other dreamers like myself. Thank you for giving my opinions some thought!
  5. by   norstein10
    Quote from lindarn
    AMEN!! That is what my post was about. Did you notice the reply from the Philipino nurse who bragged about how they don't care if they work for peanuts, far below the going rate in the area, driving down OUR SALARIES!! I agree, with the above, I want to preserve our profession for American nurses, to preserve OUR WAY OF LIFE AND EMPLOYMENT!! NOT THE THIRD WORLD EMPLOYMENT, WHICH IS WHAT AMERICA IS BECOMING, DUE TO WORKERS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES WHO ARE WILLING TO COME HERE AND DRIVE DOWN OUR WAGE STRUCTURE, WHICH THE HOSPITALS ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO ACCOMODATE.

    If anyone had read my previous posts, it is my strong belief, that the ultimate goal of all of this restructuring, abusive conduct towards nurses, is being done on purpose by the hospitals and insurance companies. It is an effeort to drive licensed nurse away from the hospital, so that they can claim that there is a "nursing shortage", and win more visas for foreign nurses, and de- skill our professional practice. It is an effort to cut the cost of healthcare by replacing high cost American workers with foreign workers, by insourcing, when outsourcing is not possible. And replacing licensed staff, with unlicensed personnel when ever possible. It is the drive that keeps the ANA from taking the plunge to make the BSN the entry into practice. Other countries already have increased the entry into practice, and the attitute will be, "well you American nurses aren't as well educated as the foreign nurses, that is why we are bringing them here".

    Take a step back, and look at the big picture. If there was a true nursing shortage, we would be making $100, 000 a year with much better benfits than we receive. If nothing else, our salaries have stagnated in the past decade, and our benfits have taken a dive, as well. There is no real effort to retain nurses in the profession, is there? They just want to bring in a new group of suckers from "ABC Community College", every year to replace the experienced nurses who have left in disgust. Now ask yourself, why?

    That is what Arnie, in California, is fighting for. He had been bought by big business, who want the above work scenarios to occur. He is being fought by the California Nurses Association, who have fought for, and won, the staffing war. They are the only ones. Regardles of what the anti union, anti CNA nurses can say, they have not, will not, and cannot win the battle by themselves against the hospitals, doctors, and insurance companies. Their delusions of grandeur, will not win them any work place reforms. Once again, JMHO, and NY $0.02.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Spokane, Washington
    he he..i don't think you are an RN, BSN, CCRN..you don't seem to be like one...seem sooo bitter. Get a grip.I feel sorry for you.RELAX..
  6. by   lindarn
    Quote from norstein10
    he he..i don't think you are an RN, BSN, CCRN..you don't seem to be like one...seem sooo bitter. Get a grip.I feel sorry for you.RELAX..
    Sorry that you do not believe that I am and RN. And yes, I do have my BSN, and yes I am a CCRN. I am not bitter. I have just been around long enough to see through the lies, and see the big picture.

    I have been a nurse for > 30 years, and started out as a Diploma grad. It did not take long for me to figure out who was at the bottom of the food chain. Nurses are still at the bottom of the food chain, and we have not taken any steps to improve our "station" in the health care community. We have instead stagnated. We fight common sense fixes to our problems, refuse to take accountablity for our situation, instead complain to each other, and "eat our young".

    It is not a pretty picture and if we don't take positive steps to take charge of our profession, we will not have one to fight over in the future. If you think otherwise, you are in la la land. It is not a figment of my imagination, there is a real threat to our professional practice. Hospitals and Nursing homes are trying in the worst way to de skill as much of our professional practice as they can. That is not being paranoid. Just look around. If you cannot see it your head is in the sand.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Spokane, Washington
  7. by   norstein10
    "They just want to bring in a new group of suckers from "ABC Community College", every year to replace the experienced nurses who have left in disgust. Now ask yourself,":angryfire

    These are such nasty words from you Ma'am RN, BSN,CCRN..I guess you are probably fighting for something here..but i think before going on further with all your demeaning and "racist comments" against "Foreign nurses" (well i'm reading between the lines) Filipino nurses. I suggest you go back to your Foundation of Nursing and find out the Values nurses must have..especially for an "Experienced Nurse"

    If you cannot stand the influx of filipino nurses in you country especially in your area,well, must be time for you to say goodbye to this profession and find a job that will pay you $100K..if there's one considering you Age. Reading those insulting words you posted,can't help but feel sorry for you. why don't you look back on thoses words you wrote..whew! I have such high regard on American nurses..tsk tsk..well, you're just probably 1 in a thousand..i worked with an American nurse before and she was very pleasant.:spin:

    One last thing, You have no idea what we Filipino nurses have to go through to be qualified nurses anywhere around the globe.WE Are not JUST Foreign Nurses.WE ARE NURSES.
  8. by   bagladyrn
    Quote from norstein10
    "They just want to bring in a new group of suckers from "ABC Community College", every year to replace the experienced nurses who have left in disgust. Now ask yourself,":angryfire

    These are such nasty words from you Ma'am RN, BSN,CCRN..I guess you are probably fighting for something here..but i think before going on further with all your demeaning and "racist comments" against "Foreign nurses" (well i'm reading between the lines) Filipino nurses. I suggest you go back to your Foundation of Nursing and find out the Values nurses must have..especially for an "Experienced Nurse"

    If you cannot stand the influx of filipino nurses in you country especially in your area,well, must be time for you to say goodbye to this profession and find a job that will pay you $100K..if there's one considering you Age. Reading those insulting words you posted,can't help but feel sorry for you. why don't you look back on thoses words you wrote..whew! I have such high regard on American nurses..tsk tsk..well, you're just probably 1 in a thousand..i worked with an American nurse before and she was very pleasant.:spin:

    One last thing, You have no idea what we Filipino nurses have to go through to be qualified nurses anywhere around the globe.WE Are not JUST Foreign Nurses.WE ARE NURSES.
    While I frequently disagree with the opinions of Linda on many subjects, I think you are being inappropriate in accusing her of racism - I didn't see anywhere that she made any remarks demeaning anyone because of or attributing negative traits to their race. Accusing someone of racism simply because you don't agree with their opinion detracts from your arguments and dilutes the effectiveness of the charge in very real cases of racism. You, on the other hand, made an decidedly prejudiced remark regarding her age!
    Any time you post an opinion on an online board you open yourself to all opinions being expressed. Instead of simply expressing outrage that someone has such opinions why not muster a better argument for your side?
  9. by   banditrn
    Quote from norstein10
    "They just want to bring in a new group of suckers from "ABC Community College", every year to replace the experienced nurses who have left in disgust. Now ask yourself,":angryfire

    These are such nasty words from you Ma'am RN, BSN,CCRN..I guess you are probably fighting for something here..but i think before going on further with all your demeaning and "racist comments" against "Foreign nurses" (well i'm reading between the lines) Filipino nurses. I suggest you go back to your Foundation of Nursing and find out the Values nurses must have..especially for an "Experienced Nurse"

    If you cannot stand the influx of filipino nurses in you country especially in your area,well, must be time for you to say goodbye to this profession and find a job that will pay you $100K..if there's one considering you Age. Reading those insulting words you posted,can't help but feel sorry for you. why don't you look back on thoses words you wrote..whew! I have such high regard on American nurses..tsk tsk..well, you're just probably 1 in a thousand..i worked with an American nurse before and she was very pleasant.:spin:

    One last thing, You have no idea what we Filipino nurses have to go through to be qualified nurses anywhere around the globe.WE Are not JUST Foreign Nurses.WE ARE NURSES.
    It sounds to me like YOU are the bitter, angry person, not Linda.
  10. by   NRSKarenRN
    Insults have no place on our pulic bb board. Debate the content, not individual poster per our Terms Of Service .

    Closing for review.
  11. by   norstein10
    Quote from banditrn
    It sounds to me like YOU are the bitter, angry person, not Linda.
    Well, yes i was angry with Linda's comments and was even promted to subscribe to all nurses.com to make a reply ... but i'm not bitter.. bitterness got no room in a real nurse's heart..
  12. by   norstein10
    Quote from bagladyrn
    While I frequently disagree with the opinions of Linda on many subjects, I think you are being inappropriate in accusing her of racism - I didn't see anywhere that she made any remarks demeaning anyone because of or attributing negative traits to their race. Accusing someone of racism simply because you don't agree with their opinion detracts from your arguments and dilutes the effectiveness of the charge in very real cases of racism. You, on the other hand, made an decidedly prejudiced remark regarding her age!
    Any time you post an opinion on an online board you open yourself to all opinions being expressed. Instead of simply expressing outrage that someone has such opinions why not muster a better argument for your side?
    I'm sorry, but from my point of view..it's racism..if you don't see it that way,then that's your view, good on you,.can't do anything about it..i'm sorry if i sounded prejudiced (regarding her age):uhoh21n my reply but..obviously i was stirred up by her comments..
  13. by   jonRNMD
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    I do not agree. Many nurses in the US feel that there is no nursing shortage. In fact, US Dept of Labor statistics bear this out.
    Im sure you made this post WITHOUT knowing the FACTS..... click on the link from the Dept of Labor

    http://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/speech...24_Nursing.htm

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