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| No. 10 |
Oct 19, 2005, 12:00 AM
Re: Sapping Philippines' Health Care System Originally Posted by afhroends You have absolutely no right to talk to us Filipinos about national pride. If your concern is to limit the number of immigrants in this country, talk or stalk your president, your legislators for all I care. Until then, we will be legally doing what is best for ourselves and our families.
You are right. USA is a nation of immigrants. Surely nobody saying then to the ancestor of the Americans about national pride when they left their countries and immigrate to the USA.
Nobody can stop people from achieving their dreams through the American way.
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Oct 19, 2005, 02:04 AM
Re: Sapping Philippines' Health Care System Originally Posted by lee1 If you have NO national pride to do something for your own country isn't that a problem??? IS it ALL about the money??? Working conditions for nurses around the globe are impaired because it has been tooooooo easy for certain countries to get immigrant nurses IMO.
Lee1, if not because of the thousands of my fellow Filipinos working in the US, the US healthcare system would have collapsed a couple of years ago.
both the US and the philippines have benefitted from migration. Migration is what made the US a great nation as it is. the best minds/brains from rich and poor nations contributed to the greatnesss of America. dont you forget that
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Oct 19, 2005, 10:21 AM
Re: Sapping Philippines' Health Care System Originally Posted by jonRNMD Lee1, if not because of the thousands of my fellow Filipinos working in the US, the US healthcare system would have collapsed a couple of years ago.
both the US and the philippines have benefitted from migration. Migration is what made the US a great nation as it is. the best minds/brains from rich and poor nations contributed to the greatnesss of America. dont you forget that
How would the US Healthcare system have collapsed? There are 500, 000 American nurses who are not working in nursing because of poor workng conditions, and sub standard wages.
What really should/would have happened, is that American hospitals would have been forced to work on retention, instead of recruitment, increase the wages, working conditions, and benefits to American nurses, who would have not left bedside nursing en masse, as conditions/pay have deteriorated. Unfortunately, by having the option to bring in foreign nurses to fill in the staffing gaps, there has been no incentive for hospitals to correct these conditions. An overabundance of foreign nurses willing to come to the US and work for the lowest possible legal wage that can be offered, has also lowered the pay, benefits, and working conditions here.
I have nothing agaist foreign nurses, but until pay, benefits, and working conditions are brought up to where they shoud be, there should not be the option to being in foreign nurses to give the hospitals the out, and foreign nurses should stay home and work on improving conditions in their own country. JMHO and $0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
| | No. 13 |
Oct 19, 2005, 05:43 PM
Re: Sapping Philippines' Health Care System
I personally, will still be looking forward to go back to my homeland. Id jus save and earn some and go back and buy some, pitch some, live some.. National pride...by what? a lot of people has attempted to so something about it, but the roots of corruption is too deep, i don't think nothing will ever make a difference..try make a difference, its either u will be in a newspaper or be covered with newspapaer.. I will make a difference on my own..I will strive hard, work hard..earn my living in a decent way I should. I am paying my taxes, national insurance and Im not making use of any public funds. As long as I am not a burden to this country, I dont feel any guilt. I am not a burden here, in fact, Im contributing to the nation and its people through my massive tax of which I am not fully benefitting from... well, that is my due, so i must give it.. to support dependents and even locals and asylum seekers who are jobless and has no intention to find for one mainly.. we will stay home, why not, and strive to improve our working conditions..but why perplex and exhaust my self when someone is opening its doors for opportunity? And these doors will allow only if I will meet the criterion to pass.. If u dont want us to be around, don't tell us..Tell ur government, because they are the ones keeping them doors... Am jus wondering if the locals suggesting to us 'foreigners' to stay at home are really a native of this land. Perhaps, ur ancestors were here ages ago for the same reason as we do... IMO...out my 3 centavos..
| | No. 14 |
Oct 20, 2005, 08:37 AM
Re: Sapping Philippines' Health Care System Originally Posted by lindarn How would the US Healthcare system have collapsed? There are 500, 000 American nurses who are not working in nursing because of poor workng conditions, and sub standard wages.
An overabundance of foreign nurses willing to come to the US and work for the lowest possible legal wage that can be offered, has also lowered the pay, benefits, and working conditions here.
in response to your argument, how would 500,000 American nurses who are not working as nurses prevent the collapse of the american healthcare system? granting the US has 10 million (not 500,000) american licensed nurses not working in nursing, how could they be of help to the US healthcare system if they were not working as nurses? would you keep them out of the nursing profession just to force the hospital management to grant the non-practicing American nurses higher wages and more benefits so they would return to their practice? and how about the American patients who are in dire need of the nurse's love and care? would you sacrifice them too just to force hospital management for better pay and compensation?
a number of NYC hospitals have closed due to high maintainance and overhead cost....management is forced to do some drastic measures to save the most number of jobs and to keep the hospital afloat.....let us understand their predicament.....higher pay and compensation is not one of the solution....
it is through the sweat and perseverance of these foreign nurses willing to come to the US and work for the lowest possible wage which kept US healthcare system afloat......Love and Peace to all | | No. 15 |
Oct 22, 2005, 02:28 AM
Re: Sapping Philippines' Health Care System Originally Posted by lindarn How would the US Healthcare system have collapsed? There are 500, 000 American nurses who are not working in nursing because of poor workng conditions, and sub standard wages.
What really should/would have happened, is that American hospitals would have been forced to work on retention, instead of recruitment, increase the wages, working conditions, and benefits to American nurses, who would have not left bedside nursing en masse, as conditions/pay have deteriorated. Unfortunately, by having the option to bring in foreign nurses to fill in the staffing gaps, there has been no incentive for hospitals to correct these conditions. An overabundance of foreign nurses willing to come to the US and work for the lowest possible legal wage that can be offered, has also lowered the pay, benefits, and working conditions here.
I have nothing agaist foreign nurses, but until pay, benefits, and working conditions are brought up to where they shoud be, there should not be the option to being in foreign nurses to give the hospitals the out, and foreign nurses should stay home and work on improving conditions in their own country. JMHO and $0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
Everybody listen. This is the trend here. Someone posts about the plight of the "poor" healthcare system in the Philippines, and after about 2-3 relevant responses, posts become personal, irresponsible and insensitive. In my country, which is the Philippines, more is expected of professionals or college graduates. The higher your education, the more is expected of you. Logically, an educated person is wiser and more tempered. So, essentially, what comes our of your mouth is a reflection of your education and to a large extent, your upbringing.
I have read some posts, calling Filipinos whimps and unpatriotic, and a whole lot of things. Is this what you call freedom of speech? to say whatever you like, however you want it? Shouldn't you be making positive critisms and suggestions instead?
To those individuals who have tongues, 10x bigger than their brains, think about how the world would be like if every individual is like you. Filipinos talking agains Americans, Americans talking against asians, and so on and so forth. Hey, i can make numerous negative comments about americans, but i responsibly opt not to do so.
An educated, responsible professional would make positive suggestions and would even go the extra mile to channel her/his concerns to the proper authorities rather than initiate hate and bias.
| | No. 16 |
Oct 28, 2005, 01:54 PM
Re: Sapping Philippines' Health Care System Originally Posted by afhroends Everybody listen. This is the trend here. Someone posts about the plight of the "poor" healthcare system in the Philippines, and after about 2-3 relevant responses, posts become personal, irresponsible and insensitive. In my country, which is the Philippines, more is expected of professionals or college graduates. The higher your education, the more is expected of you. Logically, an educated person is wiser and more tempered. So, essentially, what comes our of your mouth is a reflection of your education and to a large extent, your upbringing.
I have read some posts, calling Filipinos whimps and unpatriotic, and a whole lot of things. Is this what you call freedom of speech? to say whatever you like, however you want it? Shouldn't you be making positive critisms and suggestions instead?
To those individuals who have tongues, 10x bigger than their brains, think about how the world would be like if every individual is like you. Filipinos talking agains Americans, Americans talking against asians, and so on and so forth. Hey, i can make numerous negative comments about americans, but i responsibly opt not to do so.
An educated, responsible professional would make positive suggestions and would even go the extra mile to channel her/his concerns to the proper authorities rather than initiate hate and bias.
My  I have worked with Filipino nurses,CNA's many times over the years and have yet to see one that was anything but positive and fun to work with. Maybe the prejudice stems from jealousy? | | No. 18 |
Oct 29, 2005, 03:37 PM
Re: Sapping Philippines' Health Care System
AMEN!! That is what my post was about. Did you notice the reply from the Philipino nurse who bragged about how they don't care if they work for peanuts, far below the going rate in the area, driving down OUR SALARIES!! I agree, with the above, I want to preserve our profession for American nurses, to preserve OUR WAY OF LIFE AND EMPLOYMENT!! NOT THE THIRD WORLD EMPLOYMENT, WHICH IS WHAT AMERICA IS BECOMING, DUE TO WORKERS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES WHO ARE WILLING TO COME HERE AND DRIVE DOWN OUR WAGE STRUCTURE, WHICH THE HOSPITALS ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO ACCOMODATE.
If anyone had read my previous posts, it is my strong belief, that the ultimate goal of all of this restructuring, abusive conduct towards nurses, is being done on purpose by the hospitals and insurance companies. It is an effeort to drive licensed nurse away from the hospital, so that they can claim that there is a "nursing shortage", and win more visas for foreign nurses, and de- skill our professional practice. It is an effort to cut the cost of healthcare by replacing high cost American workers with foreign workers, by insourcing, when outsourcing is not possible. And replacing licensed staff, with unlicensed personnel when ever possible. It is the drive that keeps the ANA from taking the plunge to make the BSN the entry into practice. Other countries already have increased the entry into practice, and the attitute will be, "well you American nurses aren't as well educated as the foreign nurses, that is why we are bringing them here".
Take a step back, and look at the big picture. If there was a true nursing shortage, we would be making $100, 000 a year with much better benfits than we receive. If nothing else, our salaries have stagnated in the past decade, and our benfits have taken a dive, as well. There is no real effort to retain nurses in the profession, is there? They just want to bring in a new group of suckers from "ABC Community College", every year to replace the experienced nurses who have left in disgust. Now ask yourself, why?
That is what Arnie, in California, is fighting for. He had been bought by big business, who want the above work scenarios to occur. He is being fought by the California Nurses Association, who have fought for, and won, the staffing war. They are the only ones. Regardles of what the anti union, anti CNA nurses can say, they have not, will not, and cannot win the battle by themselves against the hospitals, doctors, and insurance companies. Their delusions of grandeur, will not win them any work place reforms. Once again, JMHO, and NY $0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
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Oct 29, 2005, 08:15 PM
Re: Sapping Philippines' Health Care System
No way I will work for the lowest wages!! I am NOT worth it....
NO WAY!!
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