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Sep 15, 2009, 02:00 AM
Re: The RN Jobs Squeeze Originally Posted by karenchad Us mature nurses are not getting hired- because we are, with our 30-40 years of EXPERIENCE at the top of our pay scale, we cost too much. The mature nurses before us fought when we were baby nurses to bring about change in the nursing world. fought for MORE pay- which we DO deserve since we nurses do the actual work not the docs, fought for more voice and to have some control in our practice. The docs spent the healthcare money years ago and fattened their wallets when they admitted patients for barium enemas, did colonoscopys on patients admitted for ear infections. Now hospitals are loosing money so the first place they go to make it up is to slash nursing positions. Well they have slashed so much it's not Safe anymore so now they lay off senior nurses making well earned merit raises/years of service- kicked out the door like old shoes. The hospitals are left with nurses with 3-4 years experience. One in So. NJ a Interevental Cardiac floor is FULL of new grads!! and foreign nurses- why- because they are cheaper. They can pay them $22/hr, $26/hr. and we mature nurses will seek employment else where but for the same cheaper wages. Why -because like was mentioned above hunger, bankrupcy, long periods of unemployment and have gone though our savings and 401k's to keep our homes we have lived in for 25-30 years. The manager of this young floor/unit is also young- inexperienced in management which is what the upper management likes(a STOOL pigeon) inexperienced at the bedside.( keeps more money in the big brasses pockets), clueless as to what is being set-up, inexperienced in LIFE but cocky as anything. Think about a cardiac interventional floor of all new young RN's that don't know how to read tele monitors. This is a suburban hospital. WE experienced nurses put out applications, call on these jobs posted and no reply??? Now that I'm seeing it in print by someone else- it kinds looks like it's the COST/hr our experience says we should be paid. So the hospitals must be looking for nurses some where between a new grad ( cost of orienting, preceptor- 2 RN's for 1 group of patients=$60,000. I got that number at a preceptor workshop in 2007) and a 30-40 year experienced nurse because that level of experience is cheaper. It's now lower the pay of nurses, they can't slash any more positions- the staffing ratio's are now dangerous. I work hospital staff per deim- this was all I could get and get cancelled most of my shifts- I was cancelled the last 4 hours on a 12 hour shift this past Saturday , my supervisor asked me how much per hour I made. $36/hr the nurse they kept makes $33/hr. That's a stinken $12.00 saving!! The real kicker was the other nurse WANTED to go home but was made to stay and I am out of $144.00($36.00x4=$144.00) that's car insurance for 1 month!!! This is A MESS.
"MESS" IS A HUGE UNDERSTATEMENT! Gee, I wonder why this country is in a recession.
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Sep 15, 2009, 06:35 AM
Re: The RN Jobs Squeeze Originally Posted by karenchad Us mature nurses are not getting hired- because we are, with our 30-40 years of EXPERIENCE at the top of our pay scale, we cost too much.
I have heard this from other experienced nurses as well, and I hope things turn around for you all. It s not fair, and I would want to have experienced nurses available as mentors. That is of the utmost importance to a new nurse. My sitiuation is that I am a new grad and we cannot get jobs because our hospitals only wants experienced nurses. The nurses they have that have been working 20 plus years are not only being kept on, but they are adding to their hours due to the need because of the economy (making up for spouses who are out of work, lost 401 Ks, or putting off retirement) so the new grad positions are being cut.
BTW, the foreign nurses (and I don't mean European or Canadian) = doctor's servants who follow orders blindly because that is how they are taught in their cultures. They are nurses who perform bedside SKILLS but don't seem to have any sense when it comes to assessments or questioning orders. And this is only what I saw as a STUDENT when observing them at work. I am sure there are some who do not fit this mold, but I think it is simply cultural that the doctor's word is law.
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Sep 15, 2009, 03:07 PM
Re: The RN Jobs Squeeze
Another memorable,recent(2 weeks ago) encounters I have had with one of these foriegn nurses was: he is INDIAN and also very prissy- long perfect hair, newest fashion uniform, $110 dansko's, nails done- was assigned to a cardiac patient who happened to have an old illeiostomy. She came to me and asked me if I would empty the illeiostomy bag for her, that she couldn't do it "because it STINKS" and she went on to say how it made her feel like vomiting!! MY thought was this poor patient and this moron nurse. I told her what my old OR instructor told me and my classmates in 1979. When you go to the OR to do your rotation if you feel sick, have some perfume on your cuffs and smell it. I then told this young foreign nurse to "BUCK-UP " The Director of Critical Care MEDICINE who was AMERICAN was doing his rounds and heard me. I went into that patient's room to empty the illeiostomy bag and I heard HIM tell her the same thing to BUCK-UP and that she was a nurse also and that she too has to take care of patients and this is part of patient care. Another foriegn nurse this week-FILIPINO from the CVICU transferred me a patient with chest tubes, I asked her about the drainage column level, she started to get angry with me, talking real fast with her HEAVY accent, so I just let it go, went out to the desk after she left the room only to find her reporting me to the assistant manager that I didn't know chest tubes! Both of these nurses need to be put on a flight back to their country of origin. I can't stand it anymore!!@ I have seen chest tubes evolve for 2 glass bottles and a gomco, to a pleuravac, to a thoracx, to the atrium to a cooper tube to a denver tube(these the patient gets SENT HOME with)!!!
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Sep 15, 2009, 03:27 PM
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I am not a xenophobe, but I have a big problem with our government giving visas to foreigners in the middle of a recession. How do stop that?
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Sep 15, 2009, 03:35 PM
Re: The RN Jobs Squeeze Originally Posted by karenchad Another memorable,recent(2 weeks ago) encounters I have had with one of these foriegn nurses was: he is INDIAN and also very prissy- long perfect hair, newest fashion uniform, $110 dansko's, nails done- was assigned to a cardiac patient who happened to have an old illeiostomy. She came to me and asked me if I would empty the illeiostomy bag for her, that she couldn't do it "because it STINKS" and she went on to say how it made her feel like vomiting!! MY thought was this poor patient and this moron nurse. I told her what my old OR instructor told me and my classmates in 1979. When you go to the OR to do your rotation if you feel sick, have some perfume on your cuffs and smell it. I then told this young foreign nurse to "BUCK-UP " The Director of Critical Care MEDICINE who was AMERICAN was doing his rounds and heard me. I went into that patient's room to empty the illeiostomy bag and I heard HIM tell her the same thing to BUCK-UP and that she was a nurse also and that she too has to take care of patients and this is part of patient care. Another foriegn nurse this week-FILIPINO from the CVICU transferred me a patient with chest tubes, I asked her about the drainage column level, she started to get angry with me, talking real fast with her HEAVY accent, so I just let it go, went out to the desk after she left the room only to find her reporting me to the assistant manager that I didn't know chest tubes! Both of these nurses need to be put on a flight back to their country of origin. I can't stand it anymore!!@ I have seen chest tubes evolve for 2 glass bottles and a gomco, to a pleuravac, to a thoracx, to the atrium to a cooper tube to a denver tube(these the patient gets SENT HOME with)!!!
Despicable. I am starting to understand some of it. Like the subservience of these foreign nurses. But the BIG question here is: AMERICAN NURSES CANNOT GET JOBS HERE, BUT WHY THE ALLOUT RECRUITING OF THE FOREIGN NURSES!! As pointed out in the last 3 sentences of your post, they are recruited from other countries, they lack so many resources that Americans have. American nurses, with much experience that has been built on, are able to step up to all the technological advances. Like you, for example, I remember all the old chest tubes, teaching LVNs Swanz-Ganz and all the old stuff. You were born into it, so to speak. You have the culture, language, and attitude to relate to your patients care. We went to all the same schools. Taught the same principles. Why are they going overseas to recruit these people when American nurses are begging for jobs? I am sure you have heard the term "phi..i...o m.fi.. I can't stand it anymore, especially when I am the patient!
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