RI to use student loans to encourage nursing

  1. 1 http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-2...ns-ocean-state

    Hmmm. This is nice and all, but makes me wonder if they are really addressing the "not hiring new grads" problem that leads to them leaking out of the state.

    Rhode Island will offer nursing students zero interest student loans if they agree to work in the state after graduation.

    Gov. Lincoln Chafee (CHAY’-fee) plans to announce the new initiative Tuesday. It’s designed to address a projected shortage of nurses in the Ocean State.

    To qualify, nursing students would have to agree to work at a hospital or other health care facility in the state. In exchange, the students would not have to pay interest on the loans for four years after they graduate.
    Last edit by TheCommuter on Jul 25, '11 : Reason: added website link
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  4. Visit  TheCommuter} profile page
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    From the article:
    A 2009 study by the state Senate estimated that the state will need 6,500 additional nurses by the year 2020 to keep up with aging baby boomers.
    There's probably a shortage of experienced nurses in the state with a surplus of too many inexperienced newly graduated nurses. These zero-interest student loans will likely lead to overproduction of the very new grads that many employers are not hiring.

    Bad things happen when politicians use simple solutions to address complex problems.
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    What if they can't find a job in Rhode Island after graduation?
  6. Visit  againmlg} profile page
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    More money for the myriad of nursing school programs in the state and cheap easily abused new grads for hospitals. If the hospitals will even hire them.
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    Quote from againmlg
    More money for the myriad of nursing school programs in the state and cheap easily abused new grads for hospitals. If the hospitals will even hire them.
    It would be better for all if they shut the schools down for a few years to allow the glut of nurses to clear up a bit. If nurses actually WERE in demand perhaps the health care system would begin to treat them (us) with the respect they deserve. I can't say it enough...better working conditions and ratios will guarantee an ample supply of quality nurses for yrs to come.
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  8. Visit  kelsey.kristine} profile page
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    It's a nice thought....but I know the RI governor and there's a serious catch somewhere....has to be


    The entire state is a disaster right now, and exactly what everyone else has said; what if no hospitals hire them? It's not really addressing the issue correctly.
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  9. Visit  GadgetRN71} profile page
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    The problem is RI is a small state. People stay there until they die and there are only so many jobs to go around. I was lucky when I graduated that there were still jobs to be had- if I were a new grad in 2011, I'd leave RI and look for a nursing job elsewhere.

    It's very much a geriatric driven state and this includes the working population.
  10. Visit  eriksoln} profile page
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    The train of thoughts as I read this went like:

    "Thats nice of them. Good for the students trying to make it in RI."

    "Wish that was available when I was taking nursing."

    "Yeah, why wasn't it?"

    "I had a job right out of school, so I shouldn't complain."

    "You know what, come to think of it.........there were a lot of jobs when I graduated."

    "Even with so many positions unfilled, they didn't go this far to try to convince people to go into the field."

    "And now, it's hard for NGs to find work."

    "Hmmmm...........when there were openings they didn't try to help, now that there are not as many jobs, they offer more assistance to nursing students."

    "Hidden agenda."
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  11. Visit  msn10} profile page
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    It would be better for all if they shut the schools down for a few years to allow the glut of nurses to clear up a bit.
    That would be like closing down a hospital for a few years and then starting it up again. No one really saw the recession coming (which I believe to be the root of the problem because 1 in 4 nurses working right now are only staying on the job because they can't retire or find another line of work they rather do.)

    It will all turn around again. I graduated from school when jobs were hard to find, then not enough people went to nursing school and then we had a huge shortage. In our state, new jobs are not too terribly hard to find. Last year our 100% of our graduates found jobs within 6 months of graduation. I think it is a regional thing as well.
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    Quote from msn10
    That would be like closing down a hospital for a few years and then starting it up again. No one really saw the recession coming (which I believe to be the root of the problem because 1 in 4 nurses working right now are only staying on the job because they can't retire or find another line of work they rather do.)

    It will all turn around again. I graduated from school when jobs were hard to find, then not enough people went to nursing school and then we had a huge shortage. In our state, new jobs are not too terribly hard to find. Last year our 100% of our graduates found jobs within 6 months of graduation. I think it is a regional thing as well.
    As a nursing school instructor your bias might be pro nursing school and pro hospital. I DO NOT believe it will turn around nor do I believe in the ARTIFICAL shortages media, nursing schools and hospitals have been pushing on us for years. Enough already.
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    As a nursing school instructor your bias might be pro nursing school and pro hospital.
    No, I am really pro-student.

    I am the one with them in the trenches all day. I am the one who writes their letters of recommendation. I am the one who stays with them after class/after clinical to make sure they are confident in their information and clinical skills. I am the one who loves to hear their success stories and I am the one who brings home less money than my other MSN/DNP counterparts because I love what I do. I am so grateful to have found my calling. I, nor any one I know is saying there is a shortage. Sure the media and old nursing articles are reporting as so, but our area sees first hand what happens to the students if they can't find what they need. (BTW, publication can take a great deal of time so an article that was published in 2009 might really contain 2006 or 2007 statistics.)

    nursing schools and hospitals have been pushing on us for years.
    And lumping all nursing schools in one batch is unfair. It is like saying all ADN's are "X" or all BSN grads are "that." There should definitely be some significant reviews of the types of schools out there and maybe that would solve part of the problem of the overpopulation of new nurses. Good nursing schools require more than a pulse for admission. The university I teach at has been around since the 1930's and it is very well-respected and our nurses come out very well-prepared. Should we shut our doors because of a shortage?


    And "enough of what already?" This non-shortage has only been going on for a couple of years. A normal downturn takes four-five years to push through. Late 70's, early 90's and here we are again in 2011. Everyone is having a hard time finding jobs.

    And it is regional. We have 2 new hospitals opening in the area and another one just opened up 3 months ago. Here is a link for just one system that is hiring over 100 RNs

    http://198.177.77.134/frames.asp?Key...&x=0&y=0&City=
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    Just because a community college claims to have a graduating class with 100% employment does not mean that these new grads will still be in nursing (or even have licenses) after 5 yrs of the abuse hospitals pile on new grads.

    How can hospitals be allowed to 'burn us out'/subject RN's to such bad working conditions? The oversupply of nurses created by instructors and hospitals with an agenda.

    If there are jobs in RI than all our teams of unemployed new grads can move there. Or just tell the government of RI that there are literally thousands of TRAINED RN's waiting to come to come to the US from overseas. Mostly these trained and licensed nurses are in the Philippines because that country and it's nursing schools turned into a *nurse factories* due to years of fake "nurse shortage" stories that hospitals and schools thrive on.
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    Google indeed.com and you'll see that the oversupply of nurses has actually gone on for many, many years. Instead of training more nurses why not just start importing the many cheap nurses dying to come to the US. IF the nurse shortage ever existed it will never come back because there are so many already waiting for RN jobs.

    http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/nurs...ob-NYC/t136187

    IF working conditions were safe and decent for US nurses wouldn't community school instructors be at the bedside raking in the big bucks. Glutting the market with more nurses will only make conditions worse for those of us at the bedside. (But it's hard to imaging that working conditions for acute and LTC nurses could get worse than they are.)


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