RI to use student loans to encourage nursing - page 2

Hmmm. This is nice and all, but makes me wonder if they are really addressing the "not hiring new grads" problem that leads to them leaking out of the state.... Read More

  1. Visit  Fixit} profile page
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    Quote from againmlg
    More money for the myriad of nursing school programs in the state and cheap easily abused new grads for hospitals. If the hospitals will even hire them.
    This.
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  3. Visit  msn10} profile page
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    IF working conditions were safe and decent for US nurses wouldn't community school instructors be at the bedside raking in the big bucks. Glutting the market with more nurses will only make conditions worse for those of us at the bedside.
    I am not a community college instructor, but I am at the bedside. It is pretty hard to teach clinicals in a university classroom. I again think you are putting all nursing schools into one big pot. I think it should be harder for people to get into nursing school. I think some of these so-called 'nursing schools' should be shut down. I think it should be harder for foreign nurses to come here and work. But to say that all nursing instructors have some kind of agenda is really unfair. Your distain for nursing instructors is evident, I just prefer not to judge an entire profession in such a way.

    I would think that if it is such a problem in your state and you are so angry about it, you would write a letter to your representative instead of making sweeping statements about other individuals in nursing who care about the profession as well.

    IF the nurse shortage ever existed...
    I worked at the bedside during the nursing shortage in the late 90's/2000's when we could not find nurses. I worked many double shifts and was consistently short staffed because even $10,000 sign on bonuses weren't enough for some to come to nursing.


    Google indeed.com and you'll see that the oversupply of nurses has actually gone on for many, many years.
    Not my first choice for reference but the statements go back 2.3 years.
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  4. Visit  GLB_68} profile page
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    Quote from msn10
    I think it should be harder for people to get into nursing school. I think some of these so-called 'nursing schools' should be shut down. I think it should be harder for foreign nurses to come here and work. But to say that all nursing instructors have some kind of agenda is really unfair. Your distain for nursing instructors is evident, I just prefer not to judge an entire profession in such a way.

    I would think that if it is such a problem in your state and you are so angry about it, you would write a letter to your representative instead of making sweeping statements about other individuals in nursing who care about the profession as well.

    I worked at the bedside during the nursing shortage in the late 90's/2000's when we could not find nurses. I worked many double shifts and was consistently short staffed because even $10,000 sign on bonuses weren't enough for some to come to nursing.


    Not my first choice for reference but the statements go back 2.3 years.
    As to the bold, if this is how you feel then we share an agenda. I have no disdain for instructors. I am politically active and my agenda is to stop the huge fluctionations in 'nursing shortage/nursing glut'. Part of the problem are articles like the one OP posted. I don't happen to believe there will be a future nurse shortage b/c the politicians can just go back to importing nurses.

    I became an RN in '96 due to love of medicine and the media hype of "a huge shortage". When I got out of school they started massive importation of nurses and jobs were soon hard to find. We were taken advantage of by hospitals once they realized how easy it was to lobby and get more foreign nurses into the US. I've worked 4 places where I was the only American raised nurse.

    I don't spend lots of time posting or reading here so the indeed thing was the first fast reference I could find to show that things have been bad for US nurses for years. imo Articles like the one OP posted lead people to jump into nursing for all the wrong reasons.
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  5. Visit  DoGoodThenGo} profile page
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    Quote from GadgetRN71
    The problem is RI is a small state. People stay there until they die and there are only so many jobs to go around. I was lucky when I graduated that there were still jobs to be had- if I were a new grad in 2011, I'd leave RI and look for a nursing job elsewhere.

    It's very much a geriatric driven state and this includes the working population.
    Isn't RI loosing population at a steady rate? I mean aside from the summer trippers and tourists did anyone produce numbers that hospitals will require all these new nurses?

    Even if there was a demand wouldn't it be far better to import grads from other local states with a surplus? MA comes to mind.
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  6. Visit  RhodyGirl, RN} profile page
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    I'm a RI native and just graduated in May (BSN). I passed NCLEX in July and was thankfully offered a position at the hospital I've been interning at for over a year. I'm one of the lucky ones.....the job market in RI is terrible. Now the encouragement for people to jump into debt for a career that has dismal opportunities for employment after? Preposterous.
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  7. Visit  GadgetRN71} profile page
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    Quote from DoGoodThenGo
    Isn't RI loosing population at a steady rate? I mean aside from the summer trippers and tourists did anyone produce numbers that hospitals will require all these new nurses?

    Even if there was a demand wouldn't it be far better to import grads from other local states with a surplus? MA comes to mind.
    I don't think we're losing population at a steady rate- for a small state, we have a decent amount of people. Most people born in RI stay here their whole life. Seriously, I know people who were born, raised and now live in the same neighborhood. Also a ginormous elderly population here.

    I really think the problem comes with nurses who are retirement age, refusing/ unable to retire because of the economy. There are tons of nursing jobs here, and those of us working in the state are feeling the short staffing. The thing is, there are tons of jobs if you have experience. For whatever reason, the hospitals aren't putting the resources into the new grads. It wasn't like that when I graduated. The majority of my NS class had jobs at graduation.

    Experience is a great thing, but everyone starts somewhere. These nurses are going to have to retire sometime. And I'm not sure I like the idea of importing new grads from another state. We need to look after our own first.
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  8. Visit  Esme12} profile page
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    Quote from eriksoln
    The train of thoughts as I read this went like:

    "Thats nice of them. Good for the students trying to make it in RI."

    "Wish that was available when I was taking nursing."

    "Yeah, why wasn't it?"

    "I had a job right out of school, so I shouldn't complain."

    "You know what, come to think of it.........there were a lot of jobs when I graduated."

    "Even with so many positions unfilled, they didn't go this far to try to convince people to go into the field."

    "And now, it's hard for NGs to find work."

    "Hmmmm...........when there were openings they didn't try to help, now that there are not as many jobs, they offer more assistance to nursing students."

    "Hidden agenda."

    SUPRISE!!!!!! What we have here is a failure to communicate and recognize the real issues at hand...

    Frankly, I'm sick of them ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  9. Visit  tryingmyhardest} profile page
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    That is a big joke. I graduated from The University of RI IN 2009 And hasn't been able to secure an actual nursing job (most of my jobs have been through staffing agencies to group homes) I have applied everywhere and everyone wants experience. One of my friends graduated 2010 and has not been able to get a job either! Seems like a plan that will set people to fail!!!!
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  10. Visit  kelsey.kristine} profile page
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    Quote from tryingmyhardest
    Seems like a plan that will set people to fail!!!!
    Welcome to Rhode Island.

    We're getting close to election time....Chafee had to do something. He's just a tad bit out of touch with the reality of life here.

    I think this could be a great idea....but like everyone has said; what happens when everyone graduates? And we have to STAY in RI? This is a ridiculously small state. Nice thought, just not....thought out.
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  11. Visit  spankybax320} profile page
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    Wow, Are things this bad in R I for Nursing students I just finished my pre -reqs at CCRI and put my application in to start
    Jan 2012. Am I wasting my time and money?
  12. Visit  melissaplexy} profile page
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    I agree......I may have to leave and I have aging parents here to take care of plus 2 kids in college and I am a single parent. When I went back to college to become an RN there were jobs with bonuses for new grads. Now my graduating class is struggling from the lack of jobs. I would have left the state already if I was younger.
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