Protection against 'problem' nurses - page 6

Nurses fired for stealing drugs would get reported. So would pharmacists who lost their jobs for making repeated and serious mistakes. Also listed would be respiratory therapists who hit and abused... Read More

  1. by   HealinghandsRN
    Quote from lkrn
    i don't like tattle tales and if there is going to be a "bad nurse data bank" then the data bank administrator better make sure the names on the list are really guilty! i don't believe this type of data bank would be necessary if true and honest references could be provided without fear of legal action.
    i totally agree with you. not for nothing, but there is alot of politics in nursing as in all fields....i can just see some people getting reported and some not.......as long as each facility can provide proof of educating is something done incorrectly and nurse shows competency then that is where it should end. why do we keep beating ourselves up in this profession?? i just don't get it. it seems as though nurses are out to get nurses. instead of being one big team and helping one another.....i just don't understand. :uhoh21:
  2. by   mattsmom81
    Quote from healinghandsrn
    i totally agree with you. not for nothing, but there is alot of politics in nursing as in all fields....i can just see some people getting reported and some not.......as long as each facility can provide proof of educating is something done incorrectly and nurse shows competency then that is where it should end. why do we keep beating ourselves up in this profession?? i just don't get it. it seems as though nurses are out to get nurses. instead of being one big team and helping one another.....i just don't understand. :uhoh21:
    i hear ya healinghands. oppressed group members frequently turn on one another, unfortunately. i heard something recently...that one of the symptoms of an oppressed group is the majority of the members deny they are oppressed at all. i believe this is where nursing is as a group..

    but until enough of us speak up in numbers so that we can't be decimated individually, nothing will change. this keeps us oppressed. vicious cycle it seems <sigh>

    lack of solidarity: the biggest problem in the nursing profession.
  3. by   jenruth
    oh great! sounds like the credit bureau. a big data bank of nurses where god-knows-who can submit negative info, and you won't know anything about it until you apply for a job. hmm i wonder who the brilliant entrepenuer is who dreamed that up? someone please start one for employers!




    quote=healinghandsrn]i totally agree with you. not for nothing, but there is alot of politics in nursing as in all fields....i can just see some people getting reported and some not.......as long as each facility can provide proof of educating is something done incorrectly and nurse shows competency then that is where it should end. why do we keep beating ourselves up in this profession?? i just don't get it. it seems as though nurses are out to get nurses. instead of being one big team and helping one another.....i just don't understand. :uhoh21: [/quote]
  4. by   zacarias
    What's with the "respiratory therapists who hit their patients"? What, are RTs noted for their violent tendencies? ...
  5. by   nurseinmilo
    Lets See, We Have The State Board Of Nursing, we have JCAHO, we Have The Feds Come Out To survey, We Have The State Come Out And survey All which check The Nurses And The Facility And Now They Want Another Agency Involved.......there Have Been Criminal Doctors And Criminal Police Criminal Firefighters. Criminal People In General...99.9% Of The Nurses As In Most Professions Who Serve The Public Are Good Responsible Law Abiding Citizens...politicians However....hmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????
    excuse puntuation and spelling
    Last edit by nurseinmilo on Mar 5, '05
  6. by   LPN1974
    Quote from zacarias
    What's with the "respiratory therapists who hit their patients"? What, are RTs noted for their violent tendencies? ...
    Yeah, I wondered on this one, too.
  7. by   mattsmom81
    I feel I need to add I have no problem with a national database of nurses (as long as it includes other healthcare providers AND docs) who have been convicted(not just accused by peer review committees or individuals) of crimes and gross unprofessional behavior. We do need to prevent 'slipping through the cracks' of convicted persons.

    How to prevent a witch hunt...THAT's the problem. There is SOOO much of it in nursing...and propogated from within...that's the worst blow of all. Nurses salivating in peer review, taking a nurse down with little real and solid evidence ( maybe just because they don't like them, or are jealous of them) and effecting his /her livlihood. I'd like to see more lawsuits filed against these committees personally...citing vindictive and malicious purposes without due cause. These 'peer review committees' are responsible for large numbers of bogus complaints to the BON, and SBON's are obliged to investigate every one. And HR uses PRC findings to blackball via consumer credit reporting agencies used in their background checks.
  8. by   allamericangirl
    do you mean sorority sister syndrome shouldn't be allowed to ruin lives past puberty? :chuckle

    nurses have no fiduciary duties and do not handle money or investments. their credit ratings should have no bearing on their employment. credit rating are determined in such an illogical way, and because of the way credit is scored, it has no connection with the integrity of the creditor.it is a very poor business practice and it is being made illegal in many states for insurance companies to deny coverage or to or base premiums on a persons credit scores. it is illegal to be refused a job because of bankrupsy. it is considered descrimination.

    Quote from mattsmom81
    i feel i need to add i have no problem with a national database of nurses (as long as it includes other healthcare providers and docs) who have been convicted(not just accused by peer review committees or individuals) of crimes and gross unprofessional behavior. we do need to prevent 'slipping through the cracks' of convicted persons.

    how to prevent a witch hunt...that's the problem. there is sooo much of it in nursing...and propogated from within...that's the worst blow of all. nurses salivating in peer review, taking a nurse down with little real and solid evidence ( maybe just because they don't like them, or are jealous of them) and effecting his /her livlihood. i'd like to see more lawsuits filed against these committees personally...citing vindictive and malicious purposes without due cause. these 'peer review committees' are responsible for large numbers of bogus complaints to the bon, and sbon's are obliged to investigate every one. and hr uses prc findings to blackball via consumer credit reporting agencies used in their background checks.
  9. by   chicago bsn 2005
    isn't this what being lisense with the states is all about? is this to include data that wouldn't be included in our records anyways? seems redundant to have a data base. also, does anyone have a link for info about this "group one"? i've never heard of it before.
    Last edit by chicago bsn 2005 on Mar 6, '05
  10. by   allamericangirl
    Quote from stbernardclub
    Lets see, how does the old saying go....if it ain't broke....well, this baby is broke. I for one have worked along side of a drug addict, who stole medications that caused our floor much distress. The sad ending to her story was, after of course being fired under suspicion of stealing narcs from numerous hospitals, this young mother of 5 children died of a overdose at her home.Maybe if a system was in place to prevent rehiring this addict and supplying her easy assess to medications, she may have gotten the help she needed and 5 children would have thier mother alive ! Remember, a system that would follow through with problem nurses would be good for all of us.
    Are you saying that your BON does not have a data base of licensed nurses, that have had formal complaints filed against them that employers can check before hiring the nurse? Most states have this information available to anyonewho would like to know. I don't have the time to personally check every state's licensing web site, but would be very surprised to find that this information is not available from every state and already posted online. My state certainly does this, and it is accessable to ANYONE.

    Furthermore, a criminal preditor, going from facility to facility is not going to be stopped by having a national database of bad nurses. A criminal preditor will never be stopped until he is caught in the act and reported.

    We do live in the US where there are laws. One shouldn't be "suspected" of being a bad nurse, but be proven a bad nurse to have your name defiled by an entity and put in a public place, for everyone to see. This is character defamation without cause, but by rumor, and you should sue the person who has put your name there without the justification of proof.

    So if you have been proven a bad nurse, why would you still be licensed to practice? If you have been reprimanded by a BON and have done your "time", pennance or punishment .. such as attended refresher classes in the area of offence as mandated by the BON, should your accusation and conviction remain on the BON list of offenders for the entire remainder of your career?

    My BON's website has offending nurses listed who fulfilled their diciplinary requirements over 15 years ago and their name and offence is still there for the world to see. Even convicted felons are not made this visible. Looks like once you have had a formal complaint made against you in nursing, you no longer have a chance to continue practicing.

    A national database of nurse offenders is redundant. The politicians proposing this are trying to win votes, keep their jobs, and justify their existance. If an employer is too stupid to check with the BON in a state where the nurse they are hiring is coming from, they are also too stupid or lazy to check a national website. Sounds like someone's son-in-law needs a job and the senators (or whatever) are looking for a place to pad a little pork barrel bucks.
  11. by   maura66
    Quote from allamericangirl
    Are you saying that your BON does not have a data base of licensed nurses, that have had formal complaints filed against them that employers can check before hiring the nurse? Most states have this information available to anyonewho would like to know. I don't have the time to personally check every state's licensing web site, but would be very surprised to find that this information is not available from every state and already posted online. My state certainly does this, and it is accessable to ANYONE.

    ****Note****[The BON does NOT publish complaints, only convictions]m66

    Furthermore, a criminal preditor, going from facility to facility is not going to be stopped by having a national database of bad nurses. A criminal preditor will never be stopped until he is caught in the act and reported.

    We do live in the US where there are laws. One shouldn't be "suspected" of being a bad nurse, but be proven a bad nurse to have your name defiled by an entity and put in a public place, for everyone to see. This is character defamation without cause, but by rumor, and you should sue the person who has put your name there without the justification of proof.

    So if you have been proven a bad nurse, why would you still be licensed to practice? If you have been reprimanded by a BON and have done your "time", pennance or punishment .. such as attended refresher classes in the area of offence as mandated by the BON, should your accusation and conviction remain on the BON list of offenders for the entire remainder of your career?

    My BON's website has offending nurses listed who fulfilled their diciplinary requirements over 15 years ago and their name and offence is still there for the world to see. Even convicted felons are not made this visible. Looks like once you have had a formal complaint made against you in nursing, you no longer have a chance to continue practicing.

    A national database of nurse offenders is redundant. The politicians proposing this are trying to win votes, keep their jobs, and justify their existance. If an employer is too stupid to check with the BON in a state where the nurse they are hiring is coming from, they are also too stupid or lazy to check a national website. Sounds like someone's son-in-law needs a job and the senators (or whatever) are looking for a place to pad a little pork barrel bucks.
    You have touched on several issues here. First of all, being disciplined by a BON does not mean you lose your license and can never practice again. Second, yes, the record remains with the nurse for her career... just as a criminal record does. If you check closely, you will see that most boards of nursing only publicly report discipline that occurred within a specific number of years. There are many , many complaints that never result in discipline, so the ones that do, are REALLY significant. This is for the protection of the public, not the nurse. I don't know why so many nurses are so afraid of BONs if they are practicing safely and within their scope of practice. Knowledge is your very best defense. Find out more about your state board and know your current nursing regs.
    Think of this from another perspective. How would you like to have a family member taken care of by an incompetent or felonious nurse? Most of our family members are fortunate to have us advocating for them and overseeing their care. Not everyone has that benefit.
    So, if a nurse has had several complaints from different sources in different states for the same behavior, wouldn't that raise a red flag? Yet, these complaints are not compiled in one place. (I agree they should not be public, but they should be made available to potential employers and BONs, WITH RESTRICTIONS) Remember, those that are convicted are the ones who got caught and the charges were proven. Vulnerable patients need to be protected and that is what the licensing process is all about. When you receive a license, it is a priveledge you get for agreeing to abide by certain standards. It is not a right to practice as you please. Yes, there is a balance between overregulation and not enough scrutiny. If you are concerned with these issues, get involved with your board and find out the facts. What I see on this discussion board is a combination of misinformation, suppositions, and paranoia. Remember, knowledge is power. Get the facts.
  12. by   RN34TX
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    Quote from maura66
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    ......So, if a nurse has had several complaints from different sources in different states for the same behavior, wouldn't that raise a red flag?.........What I see on this discussion board is a combination of misinformation, suppositions, and paranoia. Remember, knowledge is power. Get the facts.
    Had I not worked for an evil hospital and witnesed it myself, I'd call some of the postings here paranoia too.
    I want to separate the differences between my dealings with the BON and Group One. They are two different things. Yes, the BON in my experience deals with facts and my friend who was reported on false accusations got everything dropped because the board wants facts and real hard evidence and the hospital could only provide opinions.
    Group One deals with opinions and it only takes one manager/supervisor to give you a black mark with vague remarks such as "poor performance" and nothing more.
    Boom, all of a sudden, no hospital will touch you because one supervisor didn't like that you stood up for yourself and refused to take an unsafe assignment and wouldn't call in agency to help because they are too expensive. No proof, no rebuttle, no investigation, nothing. You are just labeled in their database as "poor performance."
    Now you've gone from ICU nurse of 15 years to working in a nursing home because that's all you could get for employment.
    That's not paranoia. That's not misinformation.
    That's real life as a nurse in Dallas and who knows where else and it goes on every day.
  13. by   RN34TX
    Quote from chicago bsn 2005
    . also, does anyone have a link for info about this "group one"? i've never heard of it before.
    Not quite for certain, but I believe that Group One only exists in Texas and only works for major city hospitals in Dallas, Houston, and maybe San Antonio.
    They do have a website, you could do a search but I've been there and it really won't help you. It's designed to be a hospital's friend, not a nurse's friend.
    Hospitals pay a fee to be a member and when they are hiring potential candidates, Group One spits out a report, kind of like a credit report, of comments made by previous employers you've had.
    If your new job doesn't like what they see on your Group One report, they may not hire you.
    It's a way to get around the legal issues of calling old employers and having them slander you to a potential new employer.

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