Protection against 'problem' nurses - page 5

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  1. by   RN34TX
    Quote from Crumbwannabe
    Hi,

    Ideas...If we can get the aforementioned employer profiling site started, I believe I can get some help from my stepson who builds sites for a living. We already have the site for magnet hospitals, so let's brainstorm some objective and fair criteria for what constitutes a bad employer. Please, believe me, I am not advocating some lunatic fringe site. But we do need to balance the scales and protect ourselves.

    I suggest once the proposed site is up, we accumulate personell policies, employment contracts, evaluation tools, blank incident reports, and any other current paperwork that can be used to influence the fate of an employee, then group them by individual hospitals in individual cities. No hearsay, no fraud, no slander, simply the facts. No HIPPA violations. Eventually, mistreated employees could submit facsimilies of any dishonest dealings, identifying info removed.
    And by the way, can you believe TAPAN (sp?) has a merchandise section?
    Talk about poor taste...
    I would love to be a part of this. I am not just a disgruntled ex-employee. I left my old job on good terms with no write-ups or disciplinary actions of any kind after 5 years of service.
    I left because I watched my colleagues fall one right after another placed on the "Group One" blacklist and fired for bogus reasons. I thought that I might be their fair haired child today but maybe their next victim tomorrow so I left.
    I have friends that still work there who can provide copies of policies and procedures. For the ones who were victimized I still stay in touch with them and can provide copies of write-up slips, evaluations, suspensions, terminations, etc.
    Although there were many more I can provide proof of at least 7 people who were fired or forced to quit and then blacklisted.
    This hospital has ruined or almost ruined many nurses careers over the course of my time there and who knows how many more that I do not know about.
    Let me know what I can do and private message me.
  2. by   Crumbwannabe
    Shoot, I've seen an MD so strung out in several instances at one hospital I refused to go into the O/R with them, and then had to get an administrator to diplomatically talk them out of working. Title---Chief of Surgery...

    If your friend was an MD, he'd visit a nice rehab place with golf and the whole bit, or nothing would happen at all.

    I got pee tested (with some guy watching), blood drawn and a week and a half off for having the consideration to use breath spray before interviewing a patient pre-op. Took them a week, and they found nothing. To top it off, the health nurse called me a cab, said I couldn't drive. I let the cab take me a few blocks and had him return me to the parking lot.

    Got back pay(travel rates, plus housing), and payback---When I got back to work,the brat kid anesthesiologist who reported me for "drinking on the job" dropped some porno off the internet out of a stack of papers he was reading during a case (hospital computer), which I promptly turned in to H/R after making several witnesses aware. Nothing happened to him, but they did tighten up the internet so employees couldn't use it. Maybe he got a red face if he has any conscience...'mercy for me, justice for everyone else'.
  3. by   Dixiecup
    Quote from maura66
    Oh, I know what you mean about the politics in acute care. I have done some work with the BON and I know the kind of complaints that are filed. But give the board members credit! They spot those a mile away. When you deal with that stuff all the time, you get to know what has merit and what dooesn't. They are very careful not to get in the middle of personal or labor disputes, since it is out of their jurisdiction. They have skilled investigators working for them and at least in MA, I think they deal with things very fairly. All the board members in MA are nurses who ARE employed, so they are right in the middle of things themselves. I don't know about NJ.
    This is a bit off the thread subject but I live in Missouri, I worked in corrections for 13 years. Inmates will write a complaint to the BON for anything and they are obligated by law to investigate every complaint. The investigator was at our prison at least once a month investigating 4-5 complaints. Luckily our investigator was pro nursing and considered the source but never the less there's always that one chance something might bite you in the behind. We had an inmate that filed a complaint because a nurse wore jeans and it wasn't jean day. The BON sent an investigator 3 hours to our facility to check it out. It's ridiculous!!:angryfire
  4. by   mattsmom81
    Quote from RN34TX
    I would love to be a part of this. I am not just a disgruntled ex-employee. I left my old job on good terms with no write-ups or disciplinary actions of any kind after 5 years of service.
    I left because I watched my colleagues fall one right after another placed on the "Group One" blacklist and fired for bogus reasons. I thought that I might be their fair haired child today but maybe their next victim tomorrow so I left.
    I have friends that still work there who can provide copies of policies and procedures. For the ones who were victimized I still stay in touch with them and can provide copies of write-up slips, evaluations, suspensions, terminations, etc.
    Although there were many more I can provide proof of at least 7 people who were fired or forced to quit and then blacklisted.
    This hospital has ruined or almost ruined many nurses careers over the course of my time there and who knows how many more that I do not know about.
    Let me know what I can do and private message me.
    I gotta feeling we are both in the DFW area, RN34TX...as
    what you wrote in your post I could write myself word for word.


    If you are in my area...do you know ANY hospital here that does not actively gossip and blackball through Group One? Except for the LTC facilities I can't think of one. Sad.

    And what is sadder is how so many nurses think this is OK...til it happens to them or a good friend for no good reason. 'Attitude' problems (don't ever speak up or try to organize...kiss of death), getting hurt on the job, refusing OT, just GETTING OLDER...all these can start you on the blackball trail.. And then the witch hunt starts. And with our hectic practices today, it is not hard to find dirt on someone...and if ya can't, unscrupulous managers just fabricate it.

    I don't know how nurses can fight this except class actions...but who has the $$$ to do this? These things are hard to prove, and since Tx is employment at will, well...if they think we have a 'bad attitude' they don't have to hire us do they. And this is what Group One accomplishes for them...it is NOT all about druggie nurses or nurses with felonies and anyone who believes THIS is naive.

    My nurse attorney would love to sue Group One but it will be hard to win...it is protected as a third party ' consumer reporting agency.'

    if there is anything we can do productively I'm up for it/ I've been begging DH to move me back to my union state for some time now but guess it ain't gonna happen anytime soon...LOL!!!
  5. by   CHATSDALE
    there was an incident in which one nurse saw another threaten a mental pt with a knife...offending nurse reported of adm .. nurse w/knife denied anything happen..resident was a poor historian d/t mental state...adm said it would be a he said/she said situation and he allowed nurse to resign and move on....i don't know if it was reported to state...worries everybody that he is probably out there working somewhere with other vunerable rsidents
  6. by   RN34TX
    Quote from mattsmom81
    I gotta feeling we are both in the DFW area, RN34TX...as
    what you wrote in your post I could write myself word for word.

    If you are in my area...do you know ANY hospital here that does not actively gossip and blackball through Group One? Except for the LTC facilities I can't think of one. Sad.
    if there is anything we can do productively I'm up for it/ I've been begging DH to move me back to my union state for some time now but guess it ain't gonna happen anytime soon...LOL!!!
    This hospital is in Dallas - we discussed it before, remember the big "K"? You worked for one on the Ft. Worth side and it was the same way. I no longer live in Dallas and as far as I know they all use Group One but... some of my colleagues who got burned by the big "K" got jobs at Richardson Regional who "considerd the source" when reviewing their Group One reports. St. Paul also does not automatically disqualify you for negative comments on Group One but most other places in DFW as far as I know do.
    I no longer live in Dallas and I've never heard anyone in the Houston area mention it so not sure if it exists here. I know that my hospital does not participate in it for sure, my manager knew nothing about it... At least that was how she acted!!
    Speaking of your home state, have you been reading the threads about MN nurses having a hard time finding jobs? I still stay in touch with a couple of nurses I worked with up there and they have confirmed this to me that the job market is not as good up there. Maybe the working conditions/union contracts make it more desirable and people stay at their jobs longer there.
  7. by   mattsmom81
    Quote from RN34TX
    This hospital is in Dallas - we discussed it before, remember the big "K"? !!
    Speaking of your home state, have you been reading the threads about MN nurses having a hard time finding jobs? I still stay in touch with a couple of nurses I worked with up there and they have confirmed this to me that the job market is not as good up there. Maybe the working conditions/union contracts make it more desirable and people stay at their jobs longer there.
    Ok now I remember our conversations...I'm gettin' old ya know...LOL!! Yes there are quite a few nurses in Mn who are having trouble finding work..the nurses stay put once they get a job up there I remember. Yes conditions were much better up there for sure.

    Glad there are a few hospitals that think for themselves in this area! I was beginning to wonder...but I think it involves how strong HR is. If the nurse managers have the say there is less a problem I've found...they are more willing to listen to the nurses. But HR is pretty tight with Group One, and too many HR people here just LOVE to get vindictive.
  8. by   Crumbwannabe
    Well,

    Still working on getting a friend to design a site. I still think a site devoted to rating and profiling of hospitals and other employers will fly. Not sure how to finance it, but don't want to stoop to the profiling agency level of making money at it.

    I'm sure I sound like a crackpot to more than a few, having the gall to want to turn the tables, but I can live with that. If anyone is doing it, continue to accumulate policies and procedures, employment contracts, verifiable wrongdoing, and we'll get our own profiling agency started. Also need the 'food chains' of the various hospitals.

    If an employer wants a result, and doesn't get what they want, they pull the money out from under the ones hired to find it. And that's waht these people are all about. Who can really say how accurate or effective they are? I haven't yet read anyone saying that true information about them was given.
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Nov 26, '04
  9. by   mattsmom81
    I know there is a website called NurseProtect based out of Austin Tx...they keep a database of complaints from nurses regarding unfair labor practices, etc here in my state. I believe they have a referral service to get help too. Seems like they are just getting off the ground..but it is a badly needed service particularly in my state. I am not sure exactly what they have accomplished thus far but I applaud any effort.I wrote to them once asking for input on what we could do about Group One's unfair practices, but got no answer to date.

    Also on my travel nurse site (Delphiforum) there is an area where nurses write 'do NOT go to this place'...regarding facilities AND agencies...is this the type of thing you are considering?
  10. by   EricTAMUCC-BSN
    Mattsmom, I've never heard of these sevices, but am interested in going to your website and seeing who made the naughty list.
  11. by   Pomfrey2006
    Crumb your not a crackpot.............you're AWESOME!!!!!
    Quote from Crumbwannabe
    Well,

    Still working on getting a friend to design a site. I still think a site devoted to rating and profiling of hospitals and other employers will fly. Not sure how to finance it, but don't want to stoop to the profiling agency level of making money at it.

    I'm sure I sound like a crackpot to more than a few, having the gall to want to turn the tables, but I can live with that. If anyone is doing it, continue to accumulate policies and procedures, employment contracts, verifiable wrongdoing, and we'll get our own profiling agency started. Also need the 'food chains' of the various hospitals.

    If an employer wants a result, and doesn't get what they want, they pull the money out from under the ones hired to find it. And that's waht these people are all about. Who can really say how accurate or effective they are? I haven't yet read anyone saying that true information about them was given.
  12. by   Crumbwannabe
    Quote from mattsmom81
    I know there is a website called NurseProtect based out of Austin Tx...they keep a database of complaints from nurses regarding unfair labor practices, etc here in my state. I believe they have a referral service to get help too. Seems like they are just getting off the ground..but it is a badly needed service particularly in my state. I am not sure exactly what they have accomplished thus far but I applaud any effort.I wrote to them once asking for input on what we could do about Group One's unfair practices, but got no answer to date.

    Also on my travel nurse site (Delphiforum) there is an area where nurses write 'do NOT go to this place'...regarding facilities AND agencies...is this the type of thing you are considering?
    Nurseprotect must be in the middle of construction or sites are being blocked. I visited today, and couldn't go anywhere except the home page. I smell a rat, and it's not necessarily emenating from the site itself.
  13. by   Amethyst Veralyn
    I don't agree with accusing people of abuse or neglect and
    not giving them a chance to tell their side of it. It happens
    a lot where attitudes and opinions are assigned to suspected abusers that come out of peoples imaginations so that what's actually on record is mostly fiction. It also doesn't
    take into account that people can change or improve their
    patient care habits.
    If they create a data bank they should be strictly forbidden to
    put words in peoples mouths or superimpose attitudes onto them
    to make them look more guilty than they really are. They should also be forbidden to go deaf when someone can account for their
    actions.

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