Protection against 'problem' nurses - page 2

Nurses fired for stealing drugs would get reported. So would pharmacists who lost their jobs for making repeated and serious mistakes. Also listed would be respiratory therapists who hit and abused... Read More

  1. by   BBFRN
    Didn't this come about because of that serial killer nurse who managed to kill all those patients as he went from job to job? Seeing as the hospitals won't do anything about nurses like this because they risk liability for having them on staff in the first place, I can see the necessity for a data bank. How else are patients going to be protected against nurses like this? The hospitals certainly aren't going to hang themselves by announcing they have had a potentially dangerous person on staff killing patients They're going to cover their own butts.
  2. by   maura66
    This is another classic case of nurses over- reacting. Did you even read the proposal? Did you read what this nurse did?
    "Charles Cullen kept killing and our health system kept hiring him," Corzine said of the nurse who was fired from five hospitals and one nursing home. New Jersey authorities said Cullen told them he has killed as many as 40 patients in the last 15 years.
    We are not talking about someone who didn't conform to the dress code or who took an extra half hour for lunch. We are talking about someone who committed MURDER...at SEVERAL facilities because he was NEVER reported!
    I can understand the concern about abuse of this system, given the dirty tricks of the current administration, but the proposal is not aimed at targeting innocent nurses. You need to understand how complaints against nurses are handled before you go flipping out. First of all, rather than complaining about this proposal, get the facts. Find out how the NJ Board of Nursing handles complaints. Most boards toss out a huge percentage of complaints before they are even assigned a docket # because they have no merit. Don't you think nursing boards can tell a he said-she said case from a serious accusation of abuse? Give me a break. If you are doing your job according to accepted standards of nursing practice, you hardly have anything to worry about. It's called professional accountability and its something I would hope all nurses have. Unfortunately, they don't, and when they commit crimes and deviate from accepted standards to the point of patient endangerment, they need to be held accountable.
  3. by   HealinghandsRN
    Quote from maura66
    This is another classic case of nurses over- reacting. Did you even read the proposal? Did you read what this nurse did? We are not talking about someone who didn't conform to the dress code or who took an extra half hour for lunch. We are talking about someone who committed MURDER...at SEVERAL facilities because he was NEVER reported!
    I can understand the concern about abuse of this system, given the dirty tricks of the current administration, but the proposal is not aimed at targeting innocent nurses. You need to understand how complaints against nurses are handled before you go flipping out. First of all, rather than complaining about this proposal, get the facts. Find out how the NJ Board of Nursing handles complaints. Most boards toss out a huge percentage of complaints before they are even assigned a docket # because they have no merit. Don't you think nursing boards can tell a he said-she said case from a serious accusation of abuse? Give me a break. If you are doing your job according to accepted standards of nursing practice, you hardly have anything to worry about. It's called professional accountability and its something I would hope all nurses have. Unfortunately, they don't, and when they commit crimes and deviate from accepted standards to the point of patient endangerment, they need to be held accountable.
    You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Frankly, I have not seen any positive actions done to or for nurses I only see what is done to us......and with a data base for "problem" nurses; I can say I honestly do not Believe this will be done in a fair manner. No, I am not overacting I am just seeing what goes on in this profession and responding to it accordingly. And Yes, I know what professional accountability is there is no need to explain..but I have seen lots and lots of people not take accountability and get away with it. So as I said in an earlier post.....With all the "politics" that goes on in these acute care settings...this data base is not fair to the staff nurses. And yes, I know what this person did....he should have been reported to the POLICE immediately.....Is there a database like this for policemen or any other profession? "NO" So why should there be for RN'S?? Too many long time nurses in charge that just say "yes" to everything that is why this profession is falling to pieces & I am NOT one of THEM!
  4. by   maura66
    The bill also holds facilities accountable. It is something like a "mandated reporter".

    What is really needed is truth in references. Facilities are afraid to give a bad reference on someone for fear of retribution via litigation.
  5. by   HealinghandsRN
    Quote from maura66
    The bill also holds facilities accountable. It is something like a "mandated reporter".

    What is really needed is truth in references. Facilities are afraid to give a bad reference on someone for fear of retribution via litigation.
    I agree we need to stop the "problemed" nurse but also unsure of the best and most honest way it can be done to be accurate.....I can just see a terrible accident happening and the charge nurse has a personality conflict with u and turn around and cause all this trouble for u. This is what I see happening...If u have ever worked in acute care setting u will understand about the "politics"..and the other thing I think about is...the way they short staff us, God forbid something was to happen, They would be reporting us as being neglectful just to make us liable and not them for understaffing us. Although we need to find a system that will work to assure the "problemed" nurse is accountable, I think this proposal will be a horror for the staff RN's. I am proud to be an RN but unfortunately I know a lot of RN's are miserable to each other and try to get eachother in trouble for some reason EVEN when they have to lie and make up little stories...Believe me, I have seen it. I do not trust this proposal.
  6. by   maura66
    Oh, I know what you mean about the politics in acute care. I have done some work with the BON and I know the kind of complaints that are filed. But give the board members credit! They spot those a mile away. When you deal with that stuff all the time, you get to know what has merit and what dooesn't. They are very careful not to get in the middle of personal or labor disputes, since it is out of their jurisdiction. They have skilled investigators working for them and at least in MA, I think they deal with things very fairly. All the board members in MA are nurses who ARE employed, so they are right in the middle of things themselves. I don't know about NJ.
  7. by   HealinghandsRN
    [font=Georgia]I never heard of anyone having contact with anyone from the board team in my area, I truly hope they are the same way here in NJ. I went into Nursing with a positive outlook, the negativity came from being in it. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my patients and their care I provide, it is very rewarding to me...I am a BIG patient advocate. I would love to see more positive things being done to help us achieve our goals and provide efficient and safe care to our patients, but until that time, it is hard to have faith.
  8. by   maura66
    You really ought to try to find out about your board. They must have a website. In Massachusetts, all nursing board meetings are public, so anyone can sit in and observe what they do. Also, the board members are quite willing to answer questions. Soooo many nurses think that boards only exist to "go after" and to punish nurses. That is really not true. The first and foremost duty of the nursing board is to protect the public. They do this by setting and enforcing standards for nursing education and practice. Another thing they do is work with nurses who are willing to serve on advisory boards. That is how they are able to stay in touch with what is "happening in the real word of nursing". I think nursing boards unfairly get a bad rap because there is a negative perception of them.
    Please keep the faith. It is so hard with all the stesses put on us. We live in a climate of greed. Have you written to Senators Corzine and Lautenberg? It might be worth your while to express your concerns to them. While you're at it, see where the stand on nursing workforce issues. I'll bet you will get a positive response. We have been fortunate to have Ted Kennedy and John Kerry advocating strongly for Massachusetts nurses. They have worked very hard on pro-nursing legislation. See what your senators' positions are.
  9. by   mattsmom81
    We work in a gossip ridden, vindictive finger pointing environment already. Cullen fell through the cracks and that is sad, but I don't believe the answer is to further subject nurses to even MORE accusations and finger pointing.

    I was reported vindictively to my BON and thankfully they threw it out. BUT by gossip this incident follows me everywhere...even to the point where employers want to 'see' the letter from the BON throwing it out! Calling the board and verifying my clear license is not enough....this just isn't right, IMO.
  10. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from mattsmom81
    We work in a gossip ridden, vindictive finger pointing environment already. Cullen fell through the cracks and that is sad, but I don't believe the answer is to further subject nurses to even MORE accusations and finger pointing.

    I was reported vindictively to my BON and thankfully they threw it out. BUT by gossip this incident follows me everywhere...even to the point where employers want to 'see' the letter from the BON throwing it out! Calling the board and verifying my clear license is not enough....this just isn't right, IMO.
    without going into it, i DO empathize with your position. on the flip side, there ARE professionals that are reprehensible and IF there is a conviction and not an accusation, i want it publicized. afterall, there's an awful lot of enabling and looking the other way for the guilty offenders.
  11. by   missmercy
    The BON here sends out a monthly or quarterly newsletter/magazine type thing -- tons of nurses listed in there who have had action taken against them that affected their licensure in some way -- I have seen multiple suspensions or removals of licensure for drug related offenses... can't recall specific incidences of neglect/abuse, but have to assume those would be included as well.

    Don't know if all states do this -- does provide some level of accountability among peers -- concerns r/t "Tatteling" are legitimate -- we need to get beyond tatteling and get on to professional reporting -- doing what's best for our patients and the profession as a whole -- not covering up for people.
  12. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    If the ANA has endorsed Sen. Kerry why not ask him how it will be handled if it reaches the Senate for a vote? Certainly he also has influence in the House, so maybe he can keep it from ever getting anywhere.

    Seems like this is the time for him to show his loyalties.
  13. by   Justus
    I am fearful of malicious accusation but I am secure enough in myself, my competency that I am willing to subject myself to it if it means weeding out the bad to get to the good.
    I don't care if its your career or your "calling" ,we're all in this together, we share the same goal-to serve our patients. If nurse x is stealing, abusing etc. and I do nothing then we share in that failure. If I report it and action is taken then I share in that too. Nurse x will either correct that behavior and thrive in nursing or she will be expelled from it. Win-Win

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