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No. 10
Old Jun 15, 2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DrugReptoNurse View Post
This is just aonther example of government run healthcare. God help us all if the government attempts to provide us with a system similar to this.

This Indians already have universal healthcare. Doesn't seem like it is working too well for them right now.
This is a horrible thing that happened to this beautiful child and her family. I don't think it's representative of government-run health care, , though, based on what I've seen in correctional facilities and on what I see Medicare and Medicaid recipients receive (pretty decent care in these cases).

I have never worked with the IHS, so I could be wrong to compare the 2 systems, although both are government-run. I did try to work for them but they turned me away. Not sure why - age, perhaps? Race? Gender? Don't know. Who knows? The only explanation I got was the standard - that they'd found someone more qualified. But if you are interested, google Indian Health Service and start there.

I pray for the family of this child to find peace in traditional ways and in a big, fat lawsuit. It won't bring her back but it is necessary to let them know that they gave sub-standard care and that someone died unnecessarily and probably in a whole lot of pain.
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No. 11
Old Jun 15, 2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1RRRN View Post
This is an exceptionally tragic story. I've worked in Peds Oncology for many years.
While it was quite common to be overlooked on first visits for care, 10 visits are shocking. Often children were misdiagnosed with everything from a "cold/flu" to being reported for "child abuse" with bruising (low platelets) when they actually had leukemia. With the "think horse before zebra, when you hear 4 legged hooves" mentality. But, the real issue is Disparities in Care for minorities. There is hope in this being recognized at the public policy level now though. With the ARRA Recovery.gov.....New hospital funding for Eagle Butte, SD and Norton Sound, Alaska. In Michigan alone $2.2 million funding was provided for 20 localized tribal projects in equipment and facilities. And the National Health Services Corp was created to fund scholarships and loan forgiveness to providers in underserved areas. Plus more money going for Community Health Centers nationally. Check out to see where your money is going in your state.
Are NP's welcome? I see so many NP's doing specialties, so relatively filling the role they were designed to do - give primary care. They're at large, inner city teaching hospitals in supposedly underserved areas, as well as at very fancy places in the suburbs, where there is no underservice, I'm sure.
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No. 12
from 1RRRN
Old Jun 15, 2009, 03:35 PM

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Yes. http://nhsc.bhpr.hrsa.gov/ /check it out for the details. It is under the HHS.gov. Also, there are major initiatives to address this at Institute of Medicine, HHS, healthy people 2010, etc...Just type in "disparities" and alot will come up. Maybe it is too hard to get even people who benefit from edu assistance to stay in rural areas though. There was a place to search for specific NP (&MD,DDS, etc..) locations. Good deal for the right person.
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No. 13
from Cinquefoil
Old Jun 16, 2009, 05:05 PM

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Hope3546, you are absolutely right that this population has a lot of health issues due partially to alcoholism and lack of self-care. I think you're right in what you present. I also see that as one part of the picture, instead of the whole picture.

My husband is Aboriginal, has not touched alcohol since he was 19, and has never done drugs. His one bad habit is unhealthy food. He relates very well, most of the time, to people with all cultures. In fact, one of the exceptional sides of his personality is his ability to instantly make almost anyone feel at home and happy to be in his company. Usually he's content being the one entertaining, comforting, and welcoming, since he enjoys this, but when he's stressed out, he needs to be made to feel comfortable. His health situation is very stressful for him, and one thing I've seen is the failure, over and over, of docs and nurses to understand what he needs as a Native person to help him feel comfortable.

The differences between Native communication and a lot of White communication are subtle yet profound. The interrogative, rapid-fire taking of a medical history, for example, is at a much faster pace than many Native people feel comfortable giving the full picture of information about anything. Pace is a really big issue. My husband once went in to have his wisdom teeth taken out. The dentist saw he had an easily triggered gag reflex and so wanted to put him under to do the procedure, so proceeded to try to sell my husband on this in rapid-fire got-other-patients-to-see fashion. My husband, usually very calm and unflappable, got totally flustered by this technique. Now, if the dentist had presented his reasons and desires more personally and calmly, then given my husband a minute or few of presence and silence to think it over, my husband, in my experience, would have handled the whole situation much more calmly and comfortably. I don't think my husband went back to that dentist again.

Another issue: some of the basic tenets of Western Med currently clash with Native spiritual beliefs about health. It would be very helpful to many Nations if body samples such as blood, skin, bone, shaved hair, or teeth could be either returned to them or disposed of with proper (to their Nation and preference) ceremony.

Also: medical practitioners may need to learn some local and national Native history to understand why their patients don't seem to fully trust them. In my husband's community, Native women were still receiving forced hysterectomies in his mother's generation, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

In other words, in my experience, good medical care according to most Native preferences might probably utilize a gradual, listening based communication style, a willingness to work within spiritual traditions whenever possible, and an awareness of the local and societal history of Native/medical interactions. Also, even trying to learn and speak Native languages where spoken couldn't hurt. (Does anyone else have any perspectives on this they'd like to share?)

I'm not going to pretend that fitting cross-cultural health care into the medical system everyone struggles to make work already is going to be easy....but some parts of fitting it in might be easier, and pay off more in the long run, than mostly imagined.

Some great books on transcultural medical care:

The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down by Anne Fadiman
Trancultural Health Care: A Culturally Competent Approach - Larry D. Purnell

And about Native/European communication styles:

Dancing with a ghost: Rupert Ross

Disclaimer: I'm a pre-nursing student, although one with half of a graduate in conflict resolution majoring in transcultural conflict resolution, so I'm coming more from the idealistic, best-theory side of things than from experience as a health care practitioner. So....grain of salt, and feel free to check it past your reality...lol
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No. 14
from Peggyfaye
Old Jun 16, 2009, 09:49 PM

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Sadly, here in Oregon a 14 yr. old girl had gone to the community health clinic, & to the IHS clinic twice . 3 visits in a month. When she came into ER I was doing triage. Her mother spoke very little English & this young woman said to me, "I know you think I'm making this up but I have something in my belly."
I assured her that I believed her & that we would figure it out.
In the 3 previous visits to the clinics, no abdominal films were ever done, much less blood work. (They did do a pregnancy test 3 times.) She rated her abdominal pain 10/10.
We found that she had a lg. abdominal tumor, probably CA.
She was flown to a city hospital for immediate OR/chemo.
Her mother came into the ED with her 3 older brothers to give me a beaded belt bag 2 wks ago & to tell me that her dtr had passed through the west gate.
I still cry when I think of this...
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No. 15
from 1RRRN
Old Jun 17, 2009, 12:04 AM

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Wonderful posts Cinquefoil & Pennyfave! Keep them coming.
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No. 16
from rph3664
Old Jun 17, 2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Vito Andolini View Post
I pray for the family of this child to find peace in traditional ways and in a big, fat lawsuit. It won't bring her back but it is necessary to let them know that they gave sub-standard care and that someone died unnecessarily and probably in a whole lot of pain.
You can't sue the Federal government for medical malpractice. This also applies to people who got substandard care through the military.
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No. 17
from jme0525
Old Jun 17, 2009, 01:29 PM

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I work on the Navajo Nation reservation and one of the problems I see with IHS is the loan forgiveness program for healthcare providers. Some (definitely NOT ALL) providers think that they will come here for an easy 2 years, work of their loans and then set up private practice some place far more lucrative than the reservation. As a consequence many patients do not receive continuity of care and wind up seeing a new provider every time they walk into the facility.

It is challenging to work with patients and families here as many do not have modern services in there homes like running water, electricity, indoor plumbing. Patients are sometimes admitted to the hospital for a minor diagnosis that could be treated at home not because there's abuse or neglect going on, but because there's no place to plug in a nebulizer or keep an antibiotic cold. Patient education/teaching is HUGE! While many access IHS for services, they don't always understand the whys and what fors of a treatment planObesity and diabetes are rampant in this community-too much white man food and lifestyle.

I totally agree with Cinquefoil about the differences in communication, pacing and spiritual beliefs between Native cultures and Western medicine. What happened to this little girl is a tragedy for sure but what's even more tragic is that it won't be the last time something like this happens again.
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No. 18
from smanion
Old Jun 17, 2009, 02:17 PM

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I work in a Native American clinic that is run by IHS.
I think we give great care here.
Im also in Oklahoma where we have a large American Indian population.
Some things are more difficult under our guidelines but typically you get the care you need. I am also Native American myself and use the services, but I also have private insurance so I can go outside but a lot of the others dont.
I guess maybe from where I am I dont understand the problem ? We dont have reservations here maybe that is part of it?
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No. 19
Old Jun 17, 2009, 02:20 PM

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My heart breaks for this poor little girl and my mind is enlightened and blown at the sort of care that the Native Americans are getting. Thank God for this article, or I would have never considered this. What a horrible situation!
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