Pregnant woman removed from life support? - page 5

Such a tragic, and interesting case. Thoughts?... Read More

  1. Visit  GrnTea profile page
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    If I were that woman's husband I would get a good strong nurse case manager to help arrange to put her in an air ambulance and get her the hell out of Texas and to some state that has less draconian views of the use of a woman's right to her own body. He could probably accept donations to cover the cost-- I'd chip in. I can't believe a woman's advance directive can be nullified by their law if she is pregnant. That is abhorrent on so many levels.
    SHGR, WoosahRN, dawniepoo, and 15 others like this.
  2. Visit  That Guy profile page
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    Quote from Emergent
    Brain dead people can't really be tortured.
    I politely disagree with you. If I EVER saw this, that is torture. Keeping someone "alive" like that is straight up torture. While they might not be able to process it, it is. Especially for this poor husband.
    WoosahRN, BCgradnurse, Everline, and 2 others like this.
  3. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
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    Quote from tigerRN2013
    It's so sad to see so many nurses (people who are supposed to advocate for life and people's wellbeing) acting as though a child who is not our definition of 'normal' and healthy is an unworthy burden and undeserving of life or our care. How can people not see that killing a disabled child is wrong?
    I am averse to the pain and suffering of patients. If the child were already born, of course it would be wrong to kill it, but I do not see an obligation to prolong the suffering of the baby's mother, only to bring that baby into the world with profound disabilities. This is contrary to what both parents wanted.

    ​It bears repeating: Put your wishes regarding advanced life support in writing. Make sure your physicians have a copy. I keep a copy of all of that paperwork in my purse as well.
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  4. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
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    Quote from Emergent
    Brain dead people can't really be tortured.
    People like you are why people like me refuse to be organ donors and have advanced directives as tight as a sphincter. That comment is chilling.
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  5. Visit  Emergent profile page
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    Quote from OCNRN63
    People like you are why people like me refuse to be organ donors and have advanced directives as tight as a sphincter. That comment is chilling.
    People like me? LOL.

    Actually, I'm not a donor either. I don't trust the medical establishment.
  6. Visit  Ruas61 profile page
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    Revised
    Last edit by Ruas61 on Dec 24, '13
  7. Visit  DedHedRN profile page
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    Quote from tigerRN2013
    How can people not see that killing a disabled child is wrong?
    This is not a child, its a nonviable fetus. Besides, who wants to hear the story of how they were grown in the belly of their dead mother for several months before they were born? This is sick people. Seriously sick. Stephen king material.

    Where do we draw the line? If the mother is dead, if the child cannot be saved within minutes, it should not be saved at all.
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  8. Visit  Emergent profile page
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    Quote from DedHedRN
    This is not a child, its a nonviable fetus. Besides, who wants to hear the story of how they were grown in the belly of their dead mother for several months before they were born? This is sick people. Seriously sick. Stephen king material.

    Where do we draw the line? If the mother is dead, if the child cannot be saved within minutes, it should not be saved at all.
    I'm sure a living, breathing person wouldn't mind.

    I was grown in the womb of a woman who got pregnant before abortion was illegal. She probably loathed being pregnant. I was given up for adoption.
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  9. Visit  LPN_FTW profile page
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    Quote from itzvalerie
    Uh, yes. They decided to have a child. If my child is born with birth defects I will love him/her NO MATTER WHAT. To act like this baby is going to be a "pain" to him really makes me sick. It will be the only link to his wife he will have. I hope they keep her alive until the baby can be born.

    I live in Texas & even if I signed a DNR, if I was pregnant I would want my body to be kept alive until the baby could be born.
    I appreciate your strong resolve, however, we are nurses. It is not our place to judge them based on our own morals. Not everyone is suited to handle the death of a loved one while caring for a potentially high needs individual.

    Now, onto the situation at hand and not the ethics, since the mother is technically dead, aren't her hormone levels no longer adapting to the needs of the pregnancy? As a result, the baby will eventually stop growing and meet its own demise in-utero? I've heard of women on life support carrying to term, but these women generally have enough brain activity to keep the appropriate network active and functioning.

    This reminds me of the story of the mom on life support who was allowed to delivery vaginally, successfully. The human body... Wow!
    Last edit by LPN_FTW on Dec 25, '13 : Reason: Santa
  10. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from GrnTea
    If I were that woman's husband I would get a good strong nurse case manager to help arrange to put her in an air ambulance and get her the hell out of Texas and to some state that has less draconian views of the use of a woman's right to her own body. He could probably accept donations to cover the cost-- I'd chip in. I can't believe a woman's advance directive can be nullified by their law if she is pregnant. That is abhorrent on so many levels.
    It stated in another article that they never made it "official" it was something the "talked about" and when I looked up advance directives....right on the paper recognized by the state it stated that advanced directives were null and void if a woman is pregnant.

    I bet you could get her out of there GrnTea!
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  11. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
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    Quote from LPN_FTW
    I appreciate your strong resolve, however, we are nurses. It is not our place to judge them based on our own morals. Not everyone is suited to handle the death of a loved one while caring for a potentially high needs individual.

    Now, onto the situation at hand and not the ethics, since the mother is technically dead, aren't her hormone levels no longer adapting to the needs of the pregnancy? As a result, the baby will eventually stop growing and meet its own demise in-utero? I've heard of women on life support carrying to term, but these women generally have enough brain activity to keep the appropriate network active and functioning.

    This reminds me of the story of the mom on life support who was allowed to delivery vaginally, successfully. The human body... Wow!

    I'll say up front that OB was one of my least favorite areas in nursing school; I would never want to work in that area, and bless the nurses who do.

    That said, what would be the purpose of making a brain dead woman go through a vaginal delivery? Could someone with OB experience explain that one? Maybe I'm just extra dense this am, but I just don't get it.
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  12. Visit  OrganizedChaos profile page
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    Who knows when she stated she didn't want a DNR, it could've been before she was pregnant. The child could be born with issues or not. We don't know. I think it's pretty cruel that he would kill 2 people & that most of you think it's ok. So it would be wrong to have the kid (via C-Section) but adoption is ok, what about sperm banks or women who carry someone else's baby?
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  13. Visit  LPN_FTW profile page
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    Quote from OCNRN63

    I'll say up front that OB was one of my least favorite areas in nursing school; I would never want to work in that area, and bless the nurses who do.

    That said, what would be the purpose of making a brain dead woman go through a vaginal delivery? Could someone with OB experience explain that one? Maybe I'm just extra dense this am, but I just don't get it.
    It's more beneficial for the baby to experience a vaginal delivery (squeeze out all the fluids from baby, pass on vaginal and gut flora, etc.), but I think in this case the mom was on life support, but not technically brain dead. I believe the woman was passionate about wanting a vaginal as well so her partner advocated for it since at that time, VBACs were almost never allowed.
    Esme12 likes this.

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