Pregnant woman removed from life support? - page 2

Such a tragic, and interesting case. Thoughts?... Read More

  1. by   OrganizedChaos
    Quote from sali22
    So is the dad supposed to take care of and be financially responsible of the child when the baby is born, what if it did have some horrible defect?
    Uh, yes. They decided to have a child. If my child is born with birth defects I will love him/her NO MATTER WHAT. To act like this baby is going to be a "pain" to him really makes me sick. It will be the only link to his wife he will have. I hope they keep her alive until the baby can be born.

    I live in Texas & even if I signed a DNR, if I was pregnant I would want my body to be kept alive until the baby could be born.
  2. by   Rose_Queen
    So much for patients' right to autonomy. Patients have the right to determine how much and what kind of care they will accept. Where's the outrage for those who refuse chemo or radiation for cancer? The fetus is not at a viable age, and as a result of an unknown length of oxygen/nutrient deprivation, adverse effects of medications given to the mother, there is no guarantee that the fetus will be born with a good quality of life. Let the family make the decision without being forced by a law.
  3. by   dirtyhippiegirl
    I worked a PDN case kind of like this. Mom had a suspected PE at maybe 25-26 weeks. Found down after an unknown period of time. The family kept her alive on life support to grow the baby. Hypoxia resulted in a profoundly disabled baby -- deficits so severe that they were unstageable. (She's basically a vegetable.) Sad to see the strain that the child put on the family, although she was loved and wanted and kind of treated as an eerie shrine to the mother.

    /shrug
  4. by   Emergent
    Wow, if they could keep her baby alive what a wonderful legacy would that be?

    On the other hand, I understand the husband's feelings.
  5. by   ElvishDNP
    This reminds me of a patient we had a while back. 8 weeks pregnant, in a MVC, ended up in a PVS. Tube feeds but not vent-dependent, so brainstem function present. Her husband was, understandably, beside himself.

    She delivered her little girl, perfectly normal. Years later I saw the same patient at a different facility, with FUO. It still makes me sad that she never got to see her baby, who would be almost in high school by now.

    This lady is braindead. If she was down long enough to be braindead, her baby has almost certainly sustained a neurological insult. Her husband is her power of attorney. What bothers me is the fact that she has expressed her wishes over what to happen to her own body, has legal documentation to back it up, her family is in total agreement, and Texas law says that neither her wishes, nor those of her family, are to be respected. This is a huge insult to women.

    I just don't see a good outcome, no matter which way they go. Either they take her off life support and both mom and baby die, or they keep her on until she can deliver, then she delivers a baby that is either dead or neurologically devastated. The chance that anything else is going to happen is infinitesmal, and knowing that, is it ethical to put this family through such grief? I have a big problem with that.
  6. by   lovenotwar14
    Quote from itzvalerie

    Uh, yes. They decided to have a child. If my child is born with birth defects I will love him/her NO MATTER WHAT. To act like this baby is going to be a "pain" to him really makes me sick. It will be the only link to his wife he will have. I hope they keep her alive until the baby can be born.

    I live in Texas & even if I signed a DNR, if I was pregnant I would want my body to be kept alive until the baby could be born.
    I dont think the husband feels this way according to the article. Not everyone wants to be burden with a disabled child.
  7. by   jaad
    She should have a choice, and without technology she wouldn't make it, unless a miracle happened. I can't imagine what this poor family is going through. The pain and guilt must be unbearable! so so sad!

    On another note...My Mom was adopted and born from a woman who was "date raped" at 15. She chose to put my mother up for adoption. She wanted to erase her past and never wanted to hear from my mom.

    My mom always wanted to know who her real mother was. She searched many years and finally got her number. She calls and says "Mother, this is your daughter, "Jane Doe" (keeping name private) and my grandmother said "WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME"??? My mother said, I don't want anything other than to tell you thank you for not aborting me! From that moment on, they had a very special relationship and I got to meet her. Very nice woman who looked just like my mom:-)
  8. by   Everline
    The idea that a state can do this is extremely disturbing on so many levels.
  9. by   macawake
    Quote from itzvalerie
    Uh, yes. They decided to have a child. If my child is born with birth defects I will love him/her NO MATTER WHAT. To act like this baby is going to be a "pain" to him really makes me sick. It will be the only link to his wife he will have. I hope they keep her alive until the baby can be born.

    I live in Texas & even if I signed a DNR, if I was pregnant I would want my body to be kept alive until the baby could be born.
    I'm sorry but I don't understand why how you'd feel towards your child is relevant for this couple. He/they clearly wish for something else. What you see as "his only link to his wife" may feel like something entirely different to him. What's right for you isn't necessarily right for someone else.

    The whole situation is profoundly tragic and it saddens me that the law prevents the husband from honouring his wife's wishes.
  10. by   Emergent
    In the natural world, if the mother with child is killed, the baby sadly dies as well. It's only with human intervention, on a highly technical level, that the possibility of MAYBE saving the unborn child exists.

    I think the husband and father should decide
  11. by   SionainnRN
    Quote from itzvalerie
    Uh, yes. They decided to have a child. If my child is born with birth defects I will love him/her NO MATTER WHAT. To act like this baby is going to be a "pain" to him really makes me sick. It will be the only link to his wife he will have. I hope they keep her alive until the baby can be born.

    I live in Texas & even if I signed a DNR, if I was pregnant I would want my body to be kept alive until the baby could be born.
    Yes they decided to have a child, but they didn't agree to keep his wife on life support to incubate a possibly severely disabled child. There is a world of difference. And since he didn't approve of this, is the state going to pay for all the care the child needs? Even if it's perfectly healthy if it's born premature there is going to be millions of dollars in medical costs. I hope the husband gets his and his wife's wish and she's taken off life support. It is cruel to keep her alive just to incubate a fetus.
  12. by   tigerRN2013
    It's so sad to see so many nurses (people who are supposed to advocate for life and people's wellbeing) acting as though a child who is not our definition of 'normal' and healthy is an unworthy burden and undeserving of life or our care. How can people not see that killing a disabled child is wrong?
  13. by   Wrench Party
    Legally, I don't know what the obligations are to honor the otherwise full code his wife would be, but I wouldn't be surprised if
    this went all the way to the Texas Supreme Court. An already difficult end-of-rights case complicated with a pregnancy.

    The husband should have final say.

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