Poverty Is Hazardous to Your Health - page 7

The patient, mother of a month-old baby, was crying on the phone because for the past two days she had been tormented by head lice (Pediculosis capitis, if you really want to know). A simple problem,... Read More

  1. by   L P N to B
    :smackingf ... :::sigh:::
  2. by   mellonball
    Quote from L P N to B
    :smackingf ... :::sigh:::
    yeah, i know how you feel. now i just read. you will make yourself crazy.
  3. by   L P N to B
    Quote from mellonball
    yeah, i know how you feel. now i just read. you will make yourself crazy.
    lol glad to see i'm not alone
  4. by   bigreddog1934
    well i dont know, if we are using the bible for our research i think we can just drop the debate. but one thing i am not sure of in a discussion of health care professionals, everyone here knows that 1/2 of all bankruptcies in the us are the result of health care costs! how does that explain that everyone poor is just lazy or thoughtless?

    poverty is the fault of the poor? man you folks have some powerful people thanking you for this idea!
  5. by   mellonball
    Quote from L P N to B
    :smackingf ... :::sigh:::
    i know and understand exactly where you are coming from. i take full responsibility for what i have done to my finances. i too bought a used car. next thing you know, the car wouldn't pass inspection, this needed to be replace, that needed to be replaced. before i knew it, i put more into the car than i paid for the car. so i bought a used car that was already 3 years old by the time i bought it. the bank owns it, but it is not breaking everytime i turn around. i need surgery, but decided to pass up on it because the insurance provided by my job says that i have nto met my deductible. where i live we have no family, most of them live in another country. these days, you cannot leave your small children with just anybody and if you find someone you can trust,it will cost you. childcare is a billion dollar business and they know parents need them so they charge whatever they want. when you have 5 kids in a family, youmake the older one watch the younger ones and eliminate the weekly childcare provider payment. i don't know about you, but i don't have cable. i have the cheapest plan on my cell phone and i have been using the same cell phone since 2004. the sucker turns off on me when i am talking to people and i have to use the baby shaking syndrome shake on it to be able to see the screen. i only get internet access at work and all my friends think i am a sad, sad example for generation next, but hey, who cares? i scrimp and scrape and watch movies that i borrow from the library.

    keep your head up. nothing bad lasts forever.
  6. by   lionrn
    Hey L P N to B -
    First, I'm sure you already know everything that follows in this posting.
    Read it anyway - you deserve the luxury of being reminded.
    Breathe!
    Neither you nor your baby need that kind of bad juju!
    This Z... poster is not doing you any good right now - doesn't matter, right/wrong.
    You have nothing to defend - you are who you are where you are and can't change your past.
    Judgments about who and where you are will get you sentences to live out while you feel bad about yourself.
    I know that sounds trite, but that doesn't make it incorrect.
    Move on!.
    Your postings show you have an idea where you want to go, and some steps to get you there.
    Great!
    Start where you are.
    You don't need to dwell on it to move on, but appreciating where you are will help to make the next *small* step an appropriate one.
    Then let it go.
    If you like you can process your current feelings about where you are, but it doesn't look to me as though it's getting you much positive response.
    You deserve positive responses.
    Maybe you make a list of everything you want to be and do.
    The list may include things like "eat a piece of fruit" or "wash today" or "wash daily;" it may include "earn masters degree;" it may include "take a moment to tell mom I love her."
    It will probably also include things like "pay Visa bill;" and it may also include "talk to bank about refinancing or selling house."
    Include the big stuff and the little stuff. Each day pick one you're going to do today and do it. Let the rest go until you've done that one. Review when you're done. Maybe review when you go to bed. Maybe you do your thing before 8 AM and you're sick of the process. Great! You've made a choice - run with it and enjoy it.
    It's great to have several hours/days/weeks/months/years to do this, but with pencil and paper you can steal a single moment to add one thing to the list and it won't be forgotten. I keep a pack of 3X5 cards in my pocket for this at all times. When one fills up or gets too much crossed out, I rewrite. Every once in a while I chuck a bunch of 'em. Sometimes all I have is 8 1/2 X 11" paper, so I fold it up. Once it's on paper, I can let it go until I look at the list again, which may be in two minutes or two weeks. Sometimes I have one inked card and five blank, sometimes I carry 20 or 30 with stuff on them.
    Sometimes I dump the whole stack and start from scratch. If I don't remember it from the old stack, I don't want or need it any more.
    I've been in very bad places too, with nasty walls and people closing in, etc.
    I don't pretend that I have even a single answer for you, but this process works for me.
    Most of the time I skip the process and just do it.
    The note thing is just a tool, like money: by itself it doesn't mean anything.
    Still, all you can do is one thing at a time; if you want to enjoy your process, start by enjoying the one thing you do next simply by taking that attitude: pause a second, breathe in, breathe out, raise the corners of your mouth, relax your face and proceed with the resulting attitude. Wash the dishes with a smile on your face.
    Money or not money, poverty sucks the life out of you.
    Take a moment to observe how this posting looks like a parrot speaking, popping out irrelevant comments and suggestions. See how annoying my BS is.
    Laugh at it, and laugh at me for posting it.
    Delete it and never think of it again, you've already gotten everything you're going to from it.

    Then...

    Start with where you are, do what you can do right now,

    And breathe.

    Lion
  7. by   lionrn
    Now as for you, Timothy,
    I won't debate with you about whether I agree or disagree with the content of your postings, but why are you reacting to L P N to B in the way you are?

    Lion
  8. by   mellonball
    Quote from lionrn
    Hey L P N to B -
    First, I'm sure you already know everything that follows in this posting.
    Read it anyway - you deserve the luxury of being reminded.
    Breathe!
    Neither you nor your baby need that kind of bad juju!
    This Z... poster is not doing you any good right now - doesn't matter, right/wrong.
    You have nothing to defend - you are who you are where you are and can't change your past.
    Judgments about who and where you are will get you sentences to live out while you feel bad about yourself.
    I know that sounds trite, but that doesn't make it incorrect.
    Move on!.
    Your postings show you have an idea where you want to go, and some steps to get you there.
    Great!
    Start where you are.
    You don't need to dwell on it to move on, but appreciating where you are will help to make the next *small* step an appropriate one.
    Then let it go.
    If you like you can process your current feelings about where you are, but it doesn't look to me as though it's getting you much positive response.
    You deserve positive responses.
    Maybe you make a list of everything you want to be and do.
    The list may include things like "eat a piece of fruit" or "wash today" or "wash daily;" it may include "earn masters degree;" it may include "take a moment to tell mom I love her."
    It will probably also include things like "pay Visa bill;" and it may also include "talk to bank about refinancing or selling house."
    Include the big stuff and the little stuff. Each day pick one you're going to do today and do it. Let the rest go until you've done that one. Review when you're done. Maybe review when you go to bed. Maybe you do your thing before 8 AM and you're sick of the process. Great! You've made a choice - run with it and enjoy it.
    It's great to have several hours/days/weeks/months/years to do this, but with pencil and paper you can steal a single moment to add one thing to the list and it won't be forgotten. I keep a pack of 3X5 cards in my pocket for this at all times. When one fills up or gets too much crossed out, I rewrite. Every once in a while I chuck a bunch of 'em. Sometimes all I have is 8 1/2 X 11" paper, so I fold it up. Once it's on paper, I can let it go until I look at the list again, which may be in two minutes or two weeks. Sometimes I have one inked card and five blank, sometimes I carry 20 or 30 with stuff on them.
    Sometimes I dump the whole stack and start from scratch. If I don't remember it from the old stack, I don't want or need it any more.
    I've been in very bad places too, with nasty walls and people closing in, etc.
    I don't pretend that I have even a single answer for you, but this process works for me.
    Most of the time I skip the process and just do it.
    The note thing is just a tool, like money: by itself it doesn't mean anything.
    Still, all you can do is one thing at a time; if you want to enjoy your process, start by enjoying the one thing you do next simply by taking that attitude: pause a second, breathe in, breathe out, raise the corners of your mouth, relax your face and proceed with the resulting attitude. Wash the dishes with a smile on your face.
    Money or not money, poverty sucks the life out of you.
    Take a moment to observe how this posting looks like a parrot speaking, popping out irrelevant comments and suggestions. See how annoying my BS is.
    Laugh at it, and laugh at me for posting it.
    Delete it and never think of it again, you've already gotten everything you're going to from it.

    Then...

    Start with where you are, do what you can do right now,

    And breathe.

    Lion

    you know what? that is a good perspective. we need more positive people like you take make us put negative things in a box and throw it away. your post actually helped me even though i knwoit was meant for LPNtoB. i don't personally know you, but thank you for being you.
  9. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Is it really that passe a concept to suggest that people bear some responsibility for the shape and context of their own lives? Life is only a series of 'unfortunate circumstances' if YOU allow it to be.

    You don't live your lives passively. Your life doesn't happen to you; YOU happen to your life.

    The Bible says, in the house of the wise are stores of choice food and oil. It doesn't say, in the house of the fortunate. . .

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  10. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from lionrn
    This Z... poster is not doing you any good right now - doesn't matter, right/wrong. You have nothing to defend - you are who you are where you are and can't change your past.
    I disagree.

    I DO agree that you can't change the past. You CAN change the future.

    I think one of the problems today is that all behavior is excused. Sometimes people DO NEED TO HEAR that THEY and ONLY THEY are in control of their lives.

    LPN to B - YOU can make a more profound difference in YOUR life, today, than anybody else.

    Want some good advice? Go to the library and check out Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University about HOW to get out from under debt and HOW to live within your means. It's a great start. That's not me being condescending. I used it to help me realize that living paycheck to paycheck is bad mojo.

    Always being down financially IS bad for your health.

    So, change it. NO, it's NOT that easy. In fact, it's hard work. Yes, it is.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Oct 10, '07
  11. by   lionrn
    Quote from mellonball
    you know what? that is a good perspective. we need more positive people like you take make us put negative things in a box and throw it away. your post actually helped me even though i knwoit was meant for LPNtoB. i don't personally know you, but thank you for being you.
    Thanks mellonball!

    When I began as a nursing assistant, we actually had RN's as preceptors!
    My preceptor (and to date my greatest mentor and a personal hero) Arthur Cantos taught me this next part:

    You're welcome!
  12. by   lionrn
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    Is it really that passe a concept to suggest that people bear some responsibility for the shape and context of their own lives? Life is only a series of 'unfortunate circumstances' if YOU allow it to be.

    You don't live your lives passively. Your life doesn't happen to you; YOU happen to your life.

    The Bible says, in the house of the wise are stores of choice food and oil. It doesn't say, in the house of the fortunate. . .

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Timothy, let me paraphrase what I read above, please correct me if I misinterpret you:

    "I don't live my life passively. My life doesn't happen to me; I happen to my life."

    I also infer from this and previous postings that you draw from The Bible for your direction and inspiration.

    If I read this correctly, you take responsibility for the shape and context of your life, and have a source book you trust.

    That's a wonderful declaration/affirmation, and an excellent resource, among others.

    If it's true, good for you!

    Are you presenting yourself as an example of how best to live one's life?

    If so, what motivates your passion insisting that L P N to B must follow your example?
  13. by   leslie :-D
    i've been reading several poverty articles online.
    many reflect timothy's sentiments-that marriage and 2 incomes will resolve the poverty in the u.s.
    it is notable that most of those articles were written by a member of a Christian organization.

    i found a series of articles:easy to read, different perspectives.
    read pages 5-16.
    ea page written by someone different.
    one writer, a self-proclaimed spiritualist, essentially states, "if you think you are poor, then you are..."
    of those deemed destitute, 46% are homeowners.
    poverty in the u.s. cannot be compared to true, absolute poverty in third world countries...

    http://www.helium.com/tm/88881/unite...rtywe-millions

    leslie

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